cis is an abusive term

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I don't want to be called a 'cis' nor referred to as 'cis' in any sort of patronising way. Not sure if I really understand but from the way it is bandied about it does not sound good.

I am a woman not a 'cis'

No she didn't. She said it was the hardest part for her. As she's a rich celebrity with her own security and generally sorted for life with everybody sucking up to her, she may be right. For her.

That's a hair split.

Deciding what dress to wear isn't indicative of any single part of being a woman if you aren't one.

I will absolutely accept it's a hard part of being a transwoman though.

And maybe that's a hair split too.

But if you are a famous celebrity who being awarded woman of the year, the very least you can do, before you open your mouth, is think about what you are saying.

southbound the adjective for us is women, because we are women

Just go out and enjoy your lovely romantic dinner Pip

Bringing all this up might just 'spoil the mood'. Save it for the Friday night takeaway and wine night instead.

Anyone who calls me 'cis' will be in danger of needing first aid. Horrible, abusive, offensive, unnecessary, meaningless word.

Oh and PipGirl have you got as far as reading yet that the majority of self identified trans women have never had any surgery, hormone or other medical treatment and have never been diagnosed with gender dysphoria? They are just blokes pissing women up the wall.

Not to be confused with old fashioned transexuals who have had medical/surgical intervention and in general do not labour under the illusion they are women and know perfectly well changing sex is biologically impossible.

Female.

I have never seen a man called a TERF it only really seems to be directed at biological women as a way to shut them down.

I think the problem we have is not with those who have transitioned but all the ones who claim to be transwomen but in fact have no intention of going the whole way.

Why am I losing my female rights to them? And I am not their 'cis'. They have penises and use their penises in the same way men do - because they are men!

It's not offensive. You're just looking for offence where none exists as yet another anti-trans Mumsnet thread. It is exactly the same as "heterosexual" - yes, it's the majority, but it's still useful to have an adjective for it

Have you actually read any of this thread??

Why should men get to redefine my sex??
Why is the rights of a tiny amount of men more important than the rights of a huge number of the population??

It is categorically not the same as straight.

It has been said so much on this thread...
Straight is what you are
Cis is what you are not

Go back and read my account on this thread of my young lesbian friend.

Then come back and tell me all this is fucking ok.

I always wondered this about Caitlin Jenner - their voice hasn't changed... I thought your voice got a lot higher on hormones?

southboundagain

No it isn't.

Heterosexual or gay.

Woman or transwoman.

Heterosexual means actively being something - attracted to the opposite sex.

Woman means actively being something - an adult human female.

Cis means not being something. As in not trans. Completely unnecessary and insulting to be defined in relation to something you're not.

Or, actively being a woman who accepts social constructed damaging stereotypes.

So no. It's not the same.

Nor have I moveable (to my knowledge- we are all anonymous on MN) but feminist doesn’t mean woman, it means feminist whether they be man or woman so TERF could be said to either man or woman who critique gender ideology.

I have never seen a man called a TERF it only really seems to be directed at biological women as a way to shut them down.

A couple of weeks ago there was a very long twitter thread, virtually all men ripping the piss out of TW standing for All Women's Shortlists. It was utterly brutal yet not a TRA in sight telling them they are transphobic.

Yet if a woman dares mention periods or pregnancy on twitter she is set upon with the fury of hounds from hell.

PipGirl404

I don't think so. It gets lower on testosterone. For women who identify as men. But to make your voice higher, you have to have your Adams apple (?) shaved.

And once women's voices have got lover, if they stop taking testosterone, I don't think the voice goes back to normal. It stays low.

Can you not see how ironic it is that I, as a gender non conforming biological woman, must accept a term, that I reject, in relationship to a set of gender stereotype I do not perform, yet am told I must accept this "misgendering"?
But a trans male to female gets to tell everyone to accept them and their words, and damaging stereotypes, and we must not "misgender" them???

That was to southbound btw.

Not that they'll be back.

People like them don't do rational debate, just shouting and putting their fingers in their ears.

You're just looking for offence where none exists as yet another anti-trans Mumsnet thread.

Yeah, right. While misgendering is literal violence, amirite?

Because I don't misgender people; I accurately sex them. And all the TRAs take offence even though it is quite useful to be able to refer to people via their sex class. Helps identify the ones who are most likely to be violent, or have a penis and use it as a weapon, for starters.

Women's voices get slightly lower pre and post menopause and as they age. They still sound like women, but they don't sound like girls. Boys sound like girls pre puberty anyway. Ever heard of voice breaking with regard to your teenage son?

Shaving the voice box will induce an adult female voice. Many of those who do this are disappointed with the results.

Trans identified females always sound husky feminine, but the majority go to speech lessons to learn to lower the tone. Their xx voice box cannot be replicated as a male xy voice box post puberty.

Removing the testicles pre puberty can stop the advancement of the voice box, but it needs a close, constant look at the genitals (testicles and penis) post 7.

It is exactly the same as "heterosexual" - yes, it's the majority, but it's still useful to have an adjective for it.

WTAF? It's not the same at all.
Heterosexual, homosexual.... you need separate words as they are two different things.
They have their own words.
Women already HAVE their own word - WOMAN!
If you're the same, why give them another word to show that they're different? If we're all women, we're all women, right?

Ovahere can you link to that Twitter thread? Thank you.

I dont like cis

And i think TERF should join it on the mumsnet banned list

It is used as insult everytime and is usually an outright lie

Its no surprise that some TRA are so verbally abusive online to women and not men...male or female TRA they are picking on people they know have been socialised to be 'nice' and apologetic

For around a year I had a photo of a man as my FB profile. It was a famous man but not easy to tell at first glance and my name is not English or common and not obviously a woman’s name. It was very interesting when having discussions about trans issues (and others) to see the way I was addressed. Lots of respect given to me in response to comments I had made. Now I’m back to my own face as my photo things have changed. I am automatically a “butthurt feminist” who has obviously never managed to snag a man

And actually TERF is a personal attack

As far as i am concerned

And its always mumsnet are a bunch of TERFS or the FWR board are a bunch of TERFS

Its rude name calling

Movablefeast

Sorry I can't find it now. I did link it a while back in one of the many AWS or crowdfunder threads. It was basically some right wing/UKIP type man that started it and loads of his followers pilled in.

“Someone tell me what a TRA is, google tells me it's the Telecommunications Regulatory Authority but I feel this is not what we're talking about. “

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Are men referred to as Cis and if not why not?
I will correct anyone who refers to me as Cis.