Transgender Trend's new resource pack for schools

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www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transgender-Trend-Resource-Pack-for-Schools.pdf

Henchman First of all I echo lots of other posters and ask you to quote what exactly is hateful and misrepresented? Please, this is your opportunity to supposedly debunk this document. I presume you are well versed in its content since you have declared it terrible and fit only for the fire.

Secondly, lets talk about some definitions. You purport that ''transgender... means anyone who identifies with a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth...)'. Surely this is everyone as we have very few walking, talking stereotypes? Also, gender is not assigned at birth but children are groomed into these sexist roles from an early age. Just watch and listen to well meaning friends & family compliment little girls that they look pretty while telling little boys that they are brave and tough. Here is a recent article from the Fail showing that girls clothing is more likely to be adorned with animals considered prey while boys clothing is more likely to show predators : www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5259053/The-different-animals-used-girls-boys-clothing.html

As feminists, including those of Transgender Trend, continue the hard work to destroy sexist stereotypes which gender imposes you and other genderists are attempting to write these into legislation. Genderists are part of the new backlash and the hyper-individualism of neoliberal capitalism. Hopefully it is a final belch of a system of enslavement and misery.

I am really grateful for Transgender Trend for publishing this.

I have been discussing this issue with teacher and parent friends. All of us are concerned about some of the material on this issue which has been directed towards schools peddling ideas of 'boy brains' and 'girl brains' and reinforcing the gender stereotypes which we know to be harmful to both sexes.

We also want to distance ourselves from groups such as Mermaids about whom we have increasing concerns following their promotion of the early medical transition of gender non-conforming children.

Henchman21 I read your link and it's outright wrong in many places, imo. For example, it criticises Transgender Trend because it says that trans is being glamorised, as if this is false. As an example, the "Scottish Trans" guide for schools that Stonewall Scotland are advocating explicitly instructs the following:
· Provide posters showing trans as a positive thing.
· A list of celebrity role-models for children to advocate.
· Use of both of these to encourage children to come out who would not otherwise.

These are actual pieces of guidance from the Stonewall approved guide. You cannot claim that trans is not being glamorised to children in the face of such explicit instruction. Nor - another criticism in your link - that it isn't being pushed as a political agenda.

Further, there is nothing wrong with highlighting that people can think they're trans because of non-trans reasons. The cases they list are real people in their own words. It's not transphobic to clarify that gender non-conformity and non-heterosexuality are not the same thing as trans. In fact, it's vital to do so to protect children from unnecessary and harmful interventions. Stonewall Scotland's approved guide doesn't even mention disistance and does nothing to clarify that gender nonconformity isn't the same as trans.

The guide is not transphobic and is in fact, better than Stonewall Scotland's approved guidance.

Has anyone had confirmation from the DfE/Ofsted that this publication is banned?

One thing I have noticed in debating this is the high number of LGB people, especially L's, who are decrying Stonewall's statements on this. I think schools need to know that reading this document or using its recommendations is NOT being disrespectful to LGB and even T people (I have seen T people speak in favour of it).

Worrying that they are being disrespectful towards LGBT will be one of the main issues for schools but I'm finding Stonewall are not representative of the communities on this.

Yeah, yet again, 48 pages of text and noone can point out exactly what is transphobic.

I will be sending this to my DDs school (she is only at primary school but they may be starting with this rubbish, plus in the nursery they are ridiculously rigid with sex stereotypes so that part could be of use to them) and also DSCs school. DSD has 4 transkids just in her year. 2 MtF and 2 FtM.

noblegiraffe

Has anyone had confirmation from the DfE/Ofsted that this publication is banned?

They can't ban a publication. They have no power or remit to do that.

I'm hundred percent certain that if any reputable organisation have said anything even remotely negative about this, it would have exploded all over Twitter.

I've seen worse outliers than 10% passed about. Had someone on Twitter earlier post a figure of 4% (from someone's blogpost). Haven't taken the time to analyse how they got to that figure but it's insanely low. Yet the trans-activists are busy Liking and re-tweeting it because they want to believe. That's not science.

There is I believe evidence that the rate of detransition when children are put on blockers and socially transitioned is very very low. Because their development has been artificially arrested, including quite probably mental development, and they've been led to believe that their new "gender" is how it's meant to be.

I'm not doubting your story, I'm just wondering about this previous document. Most schools have documents from mermaids?

Was it one of those that your PSHE thought contravened the equality act?

@Datun

This was my post you’ve quoted from. What I sent to our PSHE consultant back in November 2017 was the Sages Factfile and the link to TGT’s page on school resources, which itself contained links to several documents about girls’ safe spaces and so on. This is the link I sent her:

www.transgendertrend.com/schools/

That page now also links to the new document but at the time I sent it, that document hadn’t been written.

Hope that makes sense - I would never direct anyone to Mermaids resources. As it is, the training I attended had a link to Mermaids’ website and Stonewall’s so they don’t need me giving them extra clicks.

SuburbanRhonda

Ah. I'd be interested to know what your PSHE thought was violating the equalities act. I know it's all water under the bridge now, but it's frustrating because Stephanie Davis Arai is incredibly knowledgeable about it.

Thanks for the clarification.

I would be interested too, Datun, but sadly she has refused to communicate any further with me about it, so I will probably never know.

I'm hundred percent certain that if any reputable organisation have said anything even remotely negative about this, it would have exploded all over Twitter.

I expect most organizations will be pretty happy that Stephanie has done their jobs for them. So now they can just refuse to comment on it all, and Stephanie will get the backlash, whilst common sense is spread around via her publication and countering the ridiculous trans-narrative they have been bullied into accepting. So many schools will breath a sigh of relief with this I reckon. I don;t quite understand how transactivist were powerful enough to get schools to disregard their own safeguarding rules in the first place?!

830 replies criticising that response have been removed by Twitter. Some of the deleted replies can be seen in attached images.*

I didn't know messages were randomly removed on twitter..does this happen often? Given some of the stuff they leave up, I fail to see how very tame messages such as the ones you attached can be deleted.

There is I believe evidence that the rate of detransition when children are put on blockers and socially transitioned is very very low. Because their development has been artificially arrested, including quite probably mental development, and they've been led to believe that their new "gender" is how it's meant to be.

Well, the thing is we now get into the sort of situation of 'very few people get off the roller-coaster once it starts moving' which is rather different to 'very few people regret getting on it'.

N.b. I'm not arguing with you Ereshkigal (great username, btw). I'm just musing further. This is an area where we could do with a great deal more research but some people actively shut-down research proposals into desistance. I've watched some heart-rending videos by people who have desisted after being started on transitioning and the way their lives will never be what they could have been. What's happening, imo, is that children are being guided into clinically transitioning who never were before and like you say, that's very hard to back out of. Especially I've heard people who did so speak about how others tried to allay their "doubts" and encouraged them to carry on.

I've been blocked from LGBT Youth Scotland so can no longer see replies in that discussion. I was getting a lot of support in it from others up until that point, however. I haven't been banned by Stonewall Scotland but they have deleted their tweet that had a lot of criticism on it (including my replies) and then just made the same tweet again verbatim later on. It looks very much like an attempt by me to hide discussion of it.

I always just assumed Stonewall were the Good Guys. But after looking at their own transgender advice and dubious research in it (specifically the stats they misuse on parental support), I now doubt anything they put out. For example, they just tweeted how one in eight trans people has been physically attacked by a colleague or customer. Previously I would have just taken that as valid but now I actually downloaded their report ("study" would flatter it) to see how they worked it out.

Aside from not including their source data (anonymised data would be normal) and it not being peer-reviewed anywhere that I can see, it's based on self-reporting from a YouGov poll that was circulated socially. There's not a single reference to methodology for avoiding respondent bias or frankly anything on that level of analysis. The report is essentially a triple-whammy of trust there was no selection bias, trust there was no respondent bias and trust us with how we analysed it.

I haven't responded online to them on Twitter because I don't want to be seen as trying to downplay violence against transgender people. But their either their ability to do research or their integrity in doing so is appalling. Really appalling. And they're using this as the basis for campaigns and advice!

So yes, my trust in their advice on trans issues is very low.

Flamingo..that artricle has infuriated me

Apart from twitters response to this, there is so much focus on 'female-on-female rape' and 'woman-on-woman rape and sexual assault' when Dana is actually a fucking man. Oh my god.

No one is arguing against the fact that men perpetuate violent physical and sexual abuse against women far more often, but it is also worth acknowledging that violence by women, especially in intimate relationships among LGBT couples, is not nearly as well-researched or understood.

Its not female on female if the perpetrator is male. That should go without saying surely..

N.b. I'm not arguing with you Ereshkigal (great username, btw). I'm just musing further.

Don't worry I completely agree with what you said!

Yes I think they were asked repeatedly on Twitter by lots of different people and declined to respond.

OldmanOfTheWeb

Dr Nicola Williams asked Stonewall outright to confirm that homosexuality meant same-sex attraction. They refused.

From their website:

Homosexual – this might be considered a more medical term used to describe someone who has an emotional romantic and/or sexual orientation towards someone of the same gender.

What the hell do they mean by medical term?

medical
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adjective
1.
relating to the science or practice of medicine.
"a medical centre"