Transgender Trend's new resource pack for schools

[Betti936]

www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transgender-Trend-Resource-Pack-for-Schools.pdf

[IHateHouseworkWithAPassion]

There is still an opportunity to donate to TransgenderTrend's Crowdfunder to get their Resource Packs printed and distributed to schools in UK. There are only 2 days left though so don't delay!
www.crowdfunder.co.uk/transgender-trend-school-resources

[Ereshkigal]

Don't worry - I've seen enough comments by you to know you're one of the sensible ones.

Thank you 😊

[JessicaEccles]

My grandfather used to claim that our auntie had turned my cousin gay because she let him dress up in her jewellery.

I once had a friend from eastern Europe who said that men were gay because they had too many female hormones- and women were gay because of too many male hormones.

It's kind of ironic that these days they would be regarded as bastions of liberal thought....

[OldmanOfTheWeb]

By TRAs and their allies I mean.

Don't worry - I've seen enough comments by you to know you're one of the sensible ones. The meaning was clear.

[Ereshkigal]

By TRAs and their allies I mean.

[Ereshkigal]

I presume this is only after an official diagnosis though, correct?

No. That would be considered transphobic.

[Datun]

I presume this is only after an official diagnosis though, correct?

No. As soon as you say it, it comes under equality law.

It does not mean, though, that you have to say the person has changed sex. If a child says IS Tom now a girl? The answer is no. They feel as though they would like to be, and so they are dressing as one and we are going to call him Tina. But they have not changed sex.

It's imperative that this widely understood, accepted and that teachers and parents have the confidence to make this distinction.

Currently TRAs are whipping that confidence away. Claiming its transphobic. It isn't.

This is a really interesting thread about the way a pattern is emerging where TRAs have deliberately changed the narrative to obfuscate and deny people their rights.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3172647-How-to-press-Women-s-Aid-to-NOT-allow-trans-identified-males-to-work-there

[drspouse]

Right have bravely sent it to school head and deputy (who is SENCO/head of inclusion).
I just lightly mentioned that some of the anti-stereotyping ideas might work even at nursery level (it's primary/nursery) in a "you may have already seen this" type way.
They are pretty hot on "no you cannot say that X is a girl because he is wearing purple trousers, boys can wear what they want" so that might be a part of it that they are interested in.
I don't think they've been asked to refer to a child as the opposite gender yet, at least there has been no playground gossip and DS hasn't asked any awkward questions.

[OldmanOfTheWeb]

OK, so they do need to refer to the child as a boy but they don't need to allow them to use the boys' changing rooms (or girl/girls' changing rooms).

I presume this is only after an official diagnosis though, correct?

[drspouse]

OK, so they do need to refer to the child as a boy but they don't need to allow them to use the boys' changing rooms (or girl/girls' changing rooms).

[Datun]

drspouse

The equality law says you should use the correct pronouns and the correct name.

Where does it say that? Is that with respect to GRCs (which you can't get till you're an adult) or legal names (I can see that parents could legally change a child's name before that age)?

The protected characteristic gender reassignment says that using pronouns and names is in line with equality law.

Equality law is separate to the GRC. Equality law is a bit of a killer over this. Because they define gender reassignment as 'embarking on the process of...'. (Paraphrasing). Which could mean anything. Saying it out loud to your best friend.

I've screenshotted the part of the guide (that this thread is about) which, quite rightly, informs people of this fact.

Transactivists are sounding more and more ludicrous, when they say this guide is not factual. This guide goes out of its way to be factual, just not sensational, biased or threatening.

Th interesting page in this guide is page 36. That goes into detail about the law and how it can be interpreted.

[RedToothBrush]

Yes the two nephews was quite extraordinary was it.

That suggests social contagion or genetic link.

Needs more research.

Oh but she doesn't appear to value research. The unquestioning nature of it, is what's utterly alarming in a so called professional.

[DodoPatrol]

Not necessarily the same odds within a family, I would think, especially if there's any truth that the incidence is higher in autistic kids. Plenty of families have more than one autistic child despite the overall odds being around 1%.

Plus, social contagion...

[OldmanOfTheWeb]

Thread from a gender specialist who was asked a question about puberty blockers she didn't know the answer to...

Thanks for sharing that. Another unsettling thing buried in what she wrote was that she has TWO trans nieces. Impossible to tell with these people if she means nephews that have transitioned or biologically female but regardless the overall incidence of being trans is something like 0.6%. That means the chance of any two given children both being trans is approximately 28,000 to 1. Now of course she may have more nieces and nephews but unless she has 100's this is statistically really out there. Unless there is some outside influence predisposing (or pushing) them to be diagnosed trans.

My money is on the latter.

[drspouse]

The equality law says you should use the correct pronouns and the correct name.
Where does it say that? Is that with respect to GRCs (which you can't get till you're an adult) or legal names (I can see that parents could legally change a child's name before that age)?

[Datun]

Both argue for the the opposite approach that fails to understand that children are individuals, may have reached this point differently and may need different treatments to find acceptance in themselves. Stonewall also seem to misunderstand that adults, teachers and child psychologists are there to help guide children to what is best for the child

I agree. But it's not the schools job to diagnose children. It's the schools job to uphold equality law that should be applied to all children. Gay, lesbian, bi, transsexual and straight.

They have to juggle the protected characteristics of sexual orientation, gender reassignment and sex. To make sure they are being fair to everybody.

The equality law says you should use the correct pronouns and the correct name. After that, it's a question of fairness and balance.

A school can't decide whether a child is merely gender nonconforming, confused, or trans.

It's not their job.

It is their job to take into account all their children, on a practical, day-to-day level. In issues such as toilets, changing rooms and sport.

The guidance they need to adhere to is equality law and safeguarding.

[SuburbanRhonda]

Yay. Another thread on absolute tosh...

Meaning what, exactly?

[salmonofwisdom]

Yay. Another thread on absolute tosh...

[OrderOnline]

The shame when the press write about LM, with a case study of actual conversion therapy, detailing how this latest dogma harms the gay community on top of the lies and untrue comparisons.

[chambeni]

The comparison to conversion therapy is extraordinary and offensive. Conversion therapy for homosexuals involved electro-shock therapy, induced vomit therapy and masturbation based therapies to "cure the disease" - none of which Transgender Trend is advocating if I read the guidance properly!

I think the biggest mistake was using the word "trend" in the title as, although the general move is towards affirming children as transgender, it is probably the small number of highly visible TG individuals who make it seem that way.

I want children with gender dysphoria to be supported but where the advice from Stonewall falls down, in my opinion, is their insistence that a child's request to change gender should be immediately affirmed through clothing, pronoun use, toilets and sports team participation.

Similarly, Transgender Trend does not concede that some children may benefit from such a strategy.

Both argue for the the opposite approach that fails to understand that children are individuals, may have reached this point differently and may need different treatments to find acceptance in themselves. Stonewall also seem to misunderstand that adults, teachers and child psychologists are there to help guide children to what is best for the child

I wish that the advice of TRA would at least accept that transitioning children - medical or socially - is such a new phenomen that we just have so little evidence to say that one approach (affirmation) is categorically better than the other (watchful waiting)

[Ollycat]

LM is again this morning saying that this advocates conversion therapy (as opposed to conversation therapy)

[OvaHere]

Red That is shocking. I'm beyond horrified that this is happening to so many kids.

I was watching some TIF transitioning vlogs on youtube the other day. The amount of people in the comment sections talking about their transitions, or how they are on a waiting list or just how they are getting ready to come out as trans is totally WTF.

I hope that a number of them never actually go much further than writing comments on the internet and having a 'boys' haircut.

[RedToothBrush]

twitter.com/BJontry/status/965368658955460608
Thread from a gender specialist who was asked a question about puberty blockers she didn't know the answer to...

Not sure what I'm most shocked by in terms of professionalism.

[DodoPatrol]

I've found that my kids accept unblinkingly that someone is trans if they didn't know them beforehand, but they wince at calling the girl we've known from the age of 2 a boy, though they do try.

I've given up even trying to remember how many of their cohort now think they're the opposite sex. The girls all fall into Stephane Davis Arai's three categories of abused/lesbian/autistic, as far as I can see, barring one I don't know well enough to guess.

The trouble is, having read that list of categories, I now find myself wondering whether 'coming out as trans' is almost enough in itself to trigger suspicion of a history of abuse, in the absence of either of the other reasons.

[lizzieoak]

I just saw on social media that yet another kid I know is now trans.

When I went to school (a million years ago) there were gay kids (who were bullied, though not by me, I had gay friends). There were zero trans kids. And decades later, amongst the 100 or so kids I went to school with, there are still zero trans and a few more gay and lesbian people.

I’m concerned that the majority of these kids are gay or lesbian but closeted. And this seems more acceptable to them to be a girl rather than a less traditional guy (& vice versa for biological girls, though all the kids I know who are trans are boys).

My ds thinks I’m a backwards cavewoman & my dd agrees with me. I am very grateful I don’t have kids with gender dysmorphia - I’m sure it’s hard to know what the right thing to do is.