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SomeDyke · 13/02/2018 22:22

"No it's not true, because you don't "become" a lesbian.."
Well, I'd say instead that you do, at some point, but then I'm, not necessarily totally a believer in the 'born this gay' stuff! Anecdotally, I was a tomboy when younger, and many of the girls I knew at school etc who later came out as dykes, were hockey goalkeepers -- which probably means they were quite tomboyish or at least tough in their early teenage years, because those were the girls who tended to get picked to stand in the goal and have people hit hard objects at them rather fast!

So I think there is a link between being 'gender non-conforming' as a girl, and coming out as a dyke later on. Perhaps because when the full-on feminine socialisation in terms of being interested in boys kicks in, the proto-dykes can't see what the point is, since the targets we were supposed to be attracting weren't that interesting..............

But this was all before being a tomboy became so hard:
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/sep/27/in-praise-of-the-tomboy
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2008/dec/27/tomboys-girls-family
(Also before the Guardian went so gung-ho on trans).
I suspect that nowadays tomboy will be seen as possibly trans before you can climb even one tree................

Datun · 13/02/2018 22:30

It's easy see how far down the rabbit hole this goes, and why it is built on house of cards, when you consider the possibility that a girl who likes climbing trees, might indicate gender dysphoria.

It's complete nonsense.

Juzza12 · 13/02/2018 22:32

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Melamin · 13/02/2018 22:42

God that link. They are like infuriated children! I know, they are retweeting like mad.

It is a long read - I will read the guidelines again in the morning.

Like others, I don't know how the govt. and education dept have let things come to the point where it is necessary to counter what is put into schools. You would have thought they would have education specialists going over it with a fine tooth comb. They have let 'charities' take over their job, and these charities have their own interests to follow.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 14/02/2018 05:09

Schools have unwittingly allowed these groups access and, rather than focussing on a legitimate concerns about bullying etc these groups introduce and enforce changes to language, new school systems of mixed sex changing rooms and toilets, promoting drug use, breast binding and surgery as positive options, use false statistics about mental health and suicide alongside advice that breaches safeguarding guidelines. All of this is presented with an all encompassing definition of transphobia that silences all questions and dissent. "If you don't allow teenage boys to access girls changing rooms and toilets the moment they self ID then this is a transphobic school".

YY

I think this guidance is great. I would be interested in seeing anything besides that one (dubious) Australian study that disproves the 80% desistance rate. I am fairly sure that even that study (been a while since I read it and don't have time right now) said the destatnce rate was 10%. Thats sill 1 in 10 kids who would be on blockers and hormones unnecessarily and would basically, fuck up their lives. Blockers should be illegal unless used for their real purpose (ie, when actually needed)

I will send this to DDs school (though she is only in reception, I would hope they would definitely not be starting the propagana at her age) and DSDs also.

Transactivists ard REALLY kicking off about this. Liening it to BNP stuff for gods sake..its ridiculous th way they are behaving about a booklet that basically says, let kids be kids.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/02/2018 08:33

Bloody hell, I've just been on Twitter and Stonewall et al are seriously spitting their dummies over this - interestingly they don't choose to address any individual points, they just denounce the entire publication.

Datun · 14/02/2018 08:47

interestingly they don't choose to address any individual points, they just denounce the entire publication.

It's the equivalent of the ploppers who come on here and say you're so transphobic, never back it up, and bog off.

I saw one highlight the section where it says you don't have to say that a boy has actually turned into a girl. And they were saying it was hate speech.

I'm afraid it made me snort.

drspouse · 14/02/2018 08:49

I retweeted it and have got a few further retweets.

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 14/02/2018 09:08

Sorry, going to be a pedant for a second, but my reasoning is that I want this to be viewed as the serious and professional document it is....there are quite a few type-o’s in it!

CorbynTrouserPress · 14/02/2018 09:45

I've read and sent to DDs teacher and will follow up. I'd better read the rest of the thread, now. Some kind of twitter outburst, surely not?

I only spotted a couple of typos, nothing that made me think poor quality cuppatea, I'm usually good at that hope, that's a bit reassuring.

DailyWTFMoments · 14/02/2018 10:32

A local (very active and nationally acclaimed) Pride group has just made the following statement about this:

"This dangerous document was released and circulated yesterday.

On the face of it, it could easily be mistaken for a supportive and loving document.

It's quite the opposite, and is very dangerous.

Being Trans is not a trend
Being trans is not a choice
Being transphobic is!"

Datun · 14/02/2018 10:38

Being Trans is not a trend
Being trans is not a choice

How does that correlate with the 2000 children showing up at gender clinics saying they are trans?

I guess the answer would be well they're not all trans. But that's what this document addresses.

I'd also like an answer to the question why is a cross dressing fetish trans? Why is it not just a cross dressing fetish? If they are not deliberately choosing to be called trans, does that mean the trans equals a cross dressing fetish?

#translogic

SuburbanRhonda · 14/02/2018 10:43

I know I keep banging on about this, but having personally been silenced by our LA’s PSHE consultant over the previous version of this document and also being an experienced safeguarding lead, I am really pleased to see safeguarding being centred in this.

I have been told the previous document for schools from Transgendertrend conflicted with the Equality Act and I wasn’t allowed to share it with colleagues.

But this is a different document, right?

LangCleg · 14/02/2018 10:49

That unhinged Giuliana person has compared the Transgender Trend guidance to Mein Kampf! They are really getting worried now. Invoking Godwin's Law, FFS.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/02/2018 11:04

there are quite a few type-o’s in it!

I noticed that too, and I agree it gives a bad impression. It is an electronic document though so easily fixed I presume if anyone wants to proofread it for them...

TerfsForWomen · 14/02/2018 11:16

Mein Kampf?! Unbelievable.

PowderGreen · 14/02/2018 11:39

"I have been told the previous document for schools from Transgendertrend conflicted with the Equality Act and I wasn’t allowed to share it with colleagues."

So you are making a guess based on gossip? I saw the previous version of this document. Nothing contradicts the Equality Act.

SuburbanRhonda · 14/02/2018 12:05

So you are making a guess based on gossip? I saw the previous version of this document. Nothing contradicts the Equality Act.

No, I was told by our PSHE consultant that I couldn’t share the previous document with colleagues because it contravenes the EA. I know it didn’t.

Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

LangCleg · 14/02/2018 12:06

I have been told the previous document for schools from Transgendertrend conflicted with the Equality Act and I wasn’t allowed to share it with colleagues.

Yes. People in authority are being browbeaten with this from TRAs and seem to be failing in due diligence and actually checking what the EA says. That swimming pool which cancelled the women's only session then reinstated it cited the EA, as have several others I've seen.

Bad news to know this ignorance is in schools too - especially when single sex provision of toilets in schools is written into other legislation.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 14/02/2018 12:12

How does that correlate with the 2000 children showing up at gender clinics saying they are trans?

I saw a breakdown of some of the 'wrong stuff', I cannot find it now but this point was 'refuted' with, increasing numbers of referrals are a good thing as it shows more and more trans children are getting the support they need

GirlScout72 · 14/02/2018 12:13

FairPlay For Women did some really easy to understand guides to the EA2010 and how sex as a protected characteristics works, and how it's perfectly legal to have single sex spaces through the use of lawful exemptions - that's what they are for.

The guides also explain how protection for 'sex' works with protected characteristic 'gender reasignment'

fairplayforwomen.com/equality-act-2010_womens-rights/

Couple of really handy factsheets here

Single sex spaces
fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/EA2010_womensrights_-factsheet.pdf

Single sex refuges
fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/FPFW_womenonlyspaces_guide.pdf

Obvs, the Transgender Trend guide also summarises the law.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 14/02/2018 12:18

Not sure if this will work, but this was the apparent debunking

Transgender Trend's new resource pack for schools

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/02/2018 12:21

Not sure if this will work, but this was the apparent debunking

Bloody hell I really, really.hope that at least some people in positions of power have the ability to think critically and see this as the absolute horse shit that it is.

Datun · 14/02/2018 12:24

I saw a breakdown of some of the 'wrong stuff', I cannot find it now but this point was 'refuted' with, increasing numbers of referrals are a good thing as it shows more and more trans children are getting the support they need

Lord. This is what I mean. It refutes nothing. Both can be true.

But what really needs to be done is, of those were not diagnosed with gender dysphoria, a breakdown of why exactly they think they are trans.

It's so one-sided.

I think the most recent statistic is 800 out of the 2000 will be considered trans? That conflicts with a statistic I read a year ago which said 37 would be considered trans.

Either way, what happens to the other 1200 or 1963?

Why are they confused? They vastly outnumber the ones who are treated.

But as usual, these confused children are anathema to the trans-ideology.

Certainly not something they would ever consider looking at.

In fact, they are hellbent on stopping any research, at all. Hence James Caspian wanting to research the detransitioners being told it was politically incorrect

PowderGreen · 14/02/2018 12:56

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole

Is that the insect sized version? I can't read that. Do you have a link?

I am not seeing anything that demonstrates that this document goes against the Equalities Act.