Transgender Trend's new resource pack for schools

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www.transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transgender-Trend-Resource-Pack-for-Schools.pdf

I think a legal test needs to be made.

If schools follow the guidance in that leaflet, could they be sued for committing a hate crime against the children in their care?

If schools follow the guidance handed out by GIRES and Mermaids, could they be sued for failures in safeguarding?

(Make no mistake, I think that the children's welfare comes ahead of the risk of being sued, but I would like to know the answers.)

They're just saying that strong gender nonconformity is often an indication of homosexuality. I should imagine around puberty, especially.

I don't think that's a surprise to anyone.

Obviously, it's not always. I was a tomboy.

But it's probably the extra layer of non-conformity that sometimes comes with a potentially homosexual orientation.

The assertion they are trying to dispel is that gender nonconformity means you are the opposite sex.

It doesn't. You could be gay, or you could just be a straight nonconformist.

The cutesy little X at the end of that post...gah.

Only skimmed some of that but it sounds much like what we do in our school.
Boys abd girls/women and men are celebrated in a range of subjects.
We cover trans as part if PSHE and are facilitators.
Most of the discussions with students seem to go like this:
Me: thie is transgender
Students: eh. But you're still a boy/girl
Me: some people feel their body abd brain don't match up
Students: why?
Me: for example someone may feel they are more feminine than a boy and identify with typically female interests
Students: That's sexist!
Studnet 2: So I'm a boy then because I want to be an engineer
Student 3: ahaha! Timmy's a girl because he does it hair for
Me: I'm sure gendered intetests are only part of the picture. The main thing is some people identify as the opposite gender, tjough as you point out there are questions about what it means to be a man/woman.
Students: Can you actually change sex?
Students: yeah it's like if you get things cut off and take
students: But does that make you a boy/girl
Students: Makes you more of one than if you don't. Miss! If you'te trans do you havr to get everything chopped off?
Me: Previously, to transition meant to have hormones and surgery and you would be a transexual at the end. Now it's more about how people feel. It is up ti them.
Students: So I could just wake up ajd say 'I'm a boy/girl' and that's it?! (Cue laughter) EH?! That doesn't make sense. Could I be a girl when they're doing indoor badketball and we're out on the field in the rain?

Discussion continues.
Consensus: be nice and avoid being a dickhead to someone who identifies as trans but it's all a bit confusing

Larry that definition of gender is one I first learned in the 70s.

Being a young person is hard. There is huge peer pressure to identify and conform.

This is especially hard for the neuroatypical/neurodiverse who don't/can't identify with the NT world but just know they 'feel' different.

My 11 year old (autistic) son has skipped the 'gender' debate and moved on to species - he identifies as a 'furry' (nongender specific).

Thankfully, he is not offered drugs or surgery or told he really is a dog.

DodoPatrol
Re a test case. What do you think could be called hate speech in the transgendertrend guidelines? I've read it and can't see anything that would qualify? Although transactivists could find transphobia in a weather report so.....

I was looking at the posts about 'transphobic information' going into schools, and Datun's screenshot saying 'You will be prosecuted'.

I don't know what they would suggest is hate speech - maybe the insistence that one need not say a girl is a boy and a man is a woman?

By the way, Larry, what compromises are you suggesting that men should make to accommodate trans rights? Or is it just women?

@Juzza12 sorry - that was badly worded. I was thinking mainly of pre-pubescent children who probably aren't even aware of their own sexuality yet.

I just wish kids could just be kids. Wear what they like, do what they like, without adults pinning labels on them, be that gay, trans, "girly", whatever.

I encourage my dc to question gender stereotypes and to feel free to be themselves and I am annoyed by the fact this may lead others to make certain assumptions about them.

Magdelen Berns did an video about the meaning of the word gender.

I've had a look and watched a few, but I can't readily locate the exact one.

The one I'm thinking of, had examples from all sorts of organisations, psychiatric, gender identity clinics, and, most importantly, trans organisations.

They all, in one form or another, said that gender was a set of societal expectations.

I don't think there was a single one that laid claim to the fact that it was an innate essence.

Honestly I think that pamphlet talks a lot of sense, but I think in the current climate it will get rejected as transphobic propaganda.

But why isn't species-phobic a thing if biology doesn't matter?

Where is the power lobby??

Honestly I think that pamphlet talks a lot of sense, but I think in the current climate it will get rejected as transphobic propaganda.

When schools are having to deal with outraged parents, or horrified girls, I should imagine they will grab that leaflet with both hands.

The current information is pressure group led. And it's impossible, if you follow the guidelines, to adhere to child safety regulations.

Schools are floundering because the information is so one-sided. It's not accurate and it doesn't reflect the law.

It's interesting how information that tries to dispel propaganda, comes across as radical though.

Shows you just how conditioned we are.

I don't think it's radical at all, I think it's commonsense. But I also know that when I tried to talk to DH about the whole trans issue a while back he thought I was bigoted and calling for something akin to gay conversion.

Somersetter
Isn't that awful - to see this as "talking sense but it will be dismissed as transphobia"
Who is doing this? When did society hand over the right to decide what happens to children to these groups rather than their parents and schools?
Who prioritises transgender politics over the safety and well being of children?
How can concerns about safeguarding children be considered transphobic?
Not having a go btw, I'm sure you're right, but we HAVE to fight this.

Just been down the twitter rabbit hole - mimmymum seems to have reverted back to Helen, and really doesn't like this . Does the womens and equalities really like Giuliana's posts

twitter.com/Giuliana_London/status/963369530574753793

I don't see anything transphobic about calling for gender stereotyping to be addressed proactively and that it may be the root cause of the transgender movement, which relies on gender roles. This includes clamping down on bullying for gender non conforming children. And I say that as someone more supportive of trans people than many on these boards, and being good friends with a couple and know what they've been through.

ie I presume they have 'liked' as they are listed underneath.

although I think this person has done cutting and pasting stuff before......

The logical conclusion is that the erosion of biology doesn't only remove sex distinctions but also removes species distinctions if we only count subjective feelings (ironically of humans).

My human son 'feels' animal (ie non-human).

But he lives in a social environment that privileges humans and especially male humans.

Perhaps the neurodiverse will force us to recognise (new) philosophical principals?

But that can't happen in a misogynistic, capitalist system.

Maybe we don't fight against the trans movement but capitalise on momentum and move it on to a humanist movement? Trans-speciesism. We can smile and nod.

Fuck, they have achieved so much in such a short time. If I had time to research it there must have been regressive movements in the past that have been a catalyst for positive change? What's the alternative?

Melamin

God that link. They are like infuriated children!

@larrygrylls I'm sure this has been asked before but do you also think there should be more scientific study around the differences between black people's brains and white people's? Maybe there is an intrinsic biological quality that accounts for the differences in their life chances and experiences? Or maybe just maybe even asking that question is intrinsically racist and offensive to black people.

It's interesting how information that tries to dispel propaganda, comes across as radical though.

Yes! And yet the propagandised stuff pushed by Mermaids and GIRES that schools are being bullied into using, actually instruct schools to break statutory safeguarding procedures.

Everything is on its head.

One day, Mermaids are going to collapse in a scandal that will make Kids Company look like small fry.