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Was Greer Right When She Said Men Hate Women?

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LastGirlOnTheLeft · 09/02/2018 23:02

I have just skim read The Female Eunuch and like everyone else, the stand out line to me was that men hate us but we aren't aware of the extent, and neither are they!!

Do you think this is true?? My DH, my late father and my brother, all immensely like/d and love/d the women in their lives. I hate to think it is true, but if it is, I want to know! I want to know my enemy.

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RaySwan · 10/02/2018 19:41

Hate is too strong. Indifference probably.

NotReadyToMove · 10/02/2018 19:42

I would t say hated but vertyainky disrespected by the men in my life.
That includes my H and my dad.

My dad is totally oblivious to some his ways and how demeaning it can be and would be really hurt if I was telling him that. Because he actually really care for means genuinely doesn’t see how some behaviours aren’t not on.
H is much worse and has showed total disrespect. The more it goes, the more I can see all men acting like this is refusing to respect women as equal human beings.
I, unfortunately, also include my own two teen boys who have learnt both from what they saw at home and what they saw in the wider society.
It took me years to realise the extend of the disrespect.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/02/2018 19:42

They do try and put a stop to it, it’s called the law. Not perfect, In many ways it’s far from perfect but to suggest that men stand by while women are raped and murdered is a bit of a stretch.

Like raping around 100 women, and getting out in 10 years. Real well done there men.

overnightangel · 10/02/2018 19:42

OP :
“Adalind, I think there is a massive problem with men! I don't know what it is. They have become so aggressive and revolting”

Blind ignorance will get you nowhere.
Having been with 3 lovely men in long term relationships from 18 to now (36) I’m getting tired of the “all men are horrible” bashing on this site.
Maybe don’t go out with dickheads??

thebewilderness · 10/02/2018 19:42

The only people men kill more often than women is other men, though they do not usually rape torture and abuse them first, so there is that.

RaySwan · 10/02/2018 19:43

Lettucepray....I’m indifferent to your anger.

Lettucepray · 10/02/2018 19:43

Not always 10 years either....well the ones that actually make it to prison as so few do.

Lettucepray · 10/02/2018 19:45

Ray you do realise you are one of those men don't you?? Your hatred of women is palpable.

MaryLennoxsScowl · 10/02/2018 19:48

I don't think women would go and kill/rape/attack men if they magically became the stronger sex, actually. I think you need the culture of entitlement that goes with it, which women just don't have.

I read The Power and it was great and fascinating, but I think it would take much longer for women to gain that culture than the writer suggests. I loved that history was rewritten to show that women were the leaders though.

thebewilderness · 10/02/2018 19:48

Women cannot talk about male violence against women without someone taking them to task for it. The assumption that women are not aware and need to be reminded that NAMALT is just plain rude trolling.
"Have you ever wondered why we [women] are not just in armed combat against you? It’s not because there’s a shortage of kitchen knives in this country. It is because we believe in your humanity, against all the evidence."
Andrea Dworkin

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/02/2018 19:49

Having been with 3 lovely men in long term relationships from 18 to now (36) I’m getting tired of the “all men are horrible” bashing on this site.

Another one who needs to watch the video. Jesus.

It's like an echo chamber. Well done you - you got a good one. . Me too. Great aren't they?

Thank goodness they weren't the type of men who insert a car jack for example, into our vaginas and rip our wombs out. Yay go us, aren't we superior?

thebewilderness · 10/02/2018 19:51

That is exactly what I expected of you, Ray. You are one of the vast majority of men who, while you may not actively hate women, are indifferent to our pain and our anger.

OlennasWimple · 10/02/2018 19:59

The biggest example of men (as a class) showing their hatred / disdain for women (as a class) is in the reporting of and reaction to cases. involving celebrity men.

Think of Ched Evens, think of Stan Collymore, Gazza, Mike Tyson.... The list goes on and on and on.

Men who do terrible things to women get a "pass" because they are talented in other ways, particularly sports. As if this means that their victim is any less hurt, any less traumatised by what has been done to her.

But men excuse it ("she just wanted to be a WAG!", "he's too good to miss the World Cup!", "he can still talk sense about England's midfield crisis!"). They don't unequivocally condemn it. They might even further denigrate the victim ("She was too ugly to get sex any other way, he had to be off his head to sleep with her!"), aligning themselves with the perpetrator.

NAMALT obviously. Hmm

NotReadyToMove · 10/02/2018 20:05

Ray can you see how it has turned into a ‘me, even though I am a man, will tell you, women, how things are and that how you are feeling, your experience I feel the situation is worng’

The start of equality and respect comes from listening to the other Jarry so telling they are wrong to feel a certain way.
You wouldn’t dare telling a back person that they feel they are not adequately protected (and they are not) even though the ,way shouod protect them.
So why is it ok to say to women that the law is there to protect them and that’s enough? Even if it’s not perfect, it will have to do?
Is it because you feel indifferent to the issue because actually it will never affect YOU as a Larson because you are a man??

SusanBunch · 10/02/2018 20:31

I agree with Germaine Greer. Lots of men love women they are related to, women they are going out with or are married to. But I have seen so many of them direct hatred against women who don't form part of their 'inner circle' and who don't know their place or get too big for their boots. These are men with wives, sisters, daughters, who would never in a million years describe themselves as misogynists. Yet part of their intense dislike for their 'bolshy' female boss is precisely the fact that she is a woman and they hate being told what to do by a woman.

HairyBallTheorem · 10/02/2018 20:52

Not all, but too fucking many of them - see the thread I started on Oxfam and the exploitation of prostituted teenagers as young as 14, which also reminded me of the abuses carried out by UN peacekeepers. If even the "good guys" behave this way...

As ever NAMALT - my lovely dad and lovely son are downstairs - but far far too many.

RaySwan · 10/02/2018 21:23

Lettuce your opinion of me doesn’t even get on my radar.

Notreadytomove.

No I was giving you a male perspective not your perspective or mine.

Thebewilderness

I agree with you if you’d read my earlier posts. I said men don’t hate women, they are just indifferent to women AND other men.

overnightangel · 10/02/2018 21:39

@TellsEveryoneRealFacts
“I love being a victim it defines me”
How dare you belittle anything that doesn’t conform to you

overnightangel · 10/02/2018 21:44

Just another thread where if someone says a bloke is a nice man it’s twisted in a feminist agenda.
Sometimes a nice man is just a nice man, and he treats you an equal, you ya e a good laugh, a few fun nights out together, and you have fun together.
But unfortunately there are are always utter mentalists who feel the need to put a spin on things .

overnightangel · 10/02/2018 21:46

Can I just say, hating men doesn’t make you a feminist

thebewilderness · 10/02/2018 21:56

Nice men never show up where women are discussing male violence and mansplain NAMALT to them. Nor nice women, neither.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/02/2018 21:59

How dare you belittle anything that doesn’t conform to you

What the fuck are you on about?

QuentinSummers · 10/02/2018 21:59

while you may not actively hate women, are indifferent to our pain and our anger.
Yes exactly. And ray men arent indifferent to other men. If they were there wouldn't be so much outrage about "false accusations" when a rape charge gets dropped. There would just be a shrug of the shoulders.

Terftastic · 10/02/2018 22:15

I think a lot of men are the same as they 100 odd years ago - when women wanting the vote were told their interests were looked after by their husbands and fathers. They love the women in their lives - they love and care for their mothers, wives, sisters. They are protective of their daughters.

But as for the cause of women's equality in general - not so much. I've come across so many men who are insulted if a woman either disagrees with them, or rebuffs them. The you see what they're really like.

Then, as now, if a woman steps out of line, she is punished, vilified, hated.

RaySwan · 10/02/2018 22:22

Thebewilderness

So Germaine Greer proports to know what all men think about women and I a man state that this is BS and you accuse me of mansplaining.

Haha the fucking irony.