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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If you've only recently 'peaked'....

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CisMyArse · 07/02/2018 17:17

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

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WitchIwasaWitch18 · 08/02/2018 18:14

Thank you Juzza. Consider their ranks swelled by one thanks to the eye opening by Mumsnet posters.

TheRollingCrone · 08/02/2018 18:37

@theaveragewife see you there sister Grin

Elderslie · 08/02/2018 18:39

Yeah I think Offred was able to speak for a lot of women who felt uneasy about a man who crossdressed seeking out and posting on a largely womens forum (he joined Mumsnet SOLELY for that purpose)

just to get lots of women cheerleading and high fiving him for his anecdote about wearing a dress and heels and being invited on a hen night?

It was like he wanted as many people as possible (women of course) to buy into his wank fantasy about how "girly" and "feminine" he was, under the guise of supporting his right to express himself in his clothing.

And of course, once we've bought into his lie that he's "one of the girls", then we have to let him see us naked and sit in the changing rooms with his stubble and Adams Apple and erection (ladypenis?) and continue the make-believe or we'd hurt his feelings
(and it's not even reality for most GENUINE women - I can't remember the last time I talked about my intimate sex life with another woman or was naked in front of one, but of course it's a man's fantasy view)

But even then, it was hard to articulate that squeamish feeling without being worried that you'd come across as "bigoted" or "right-wing" or "judgemental".

LoafEater · 08/02/2018 18:49

For me it was the autistic girl at the school I work at, who also had quite severe mental health problems, deciding one day she was a boy. Instead of giving her the support to understand her issues and the fact that she also found girls attractive, she was dressing in the boys uniform, wearing a binder and being called a male name within 3 days.

There are now two more of these girls in our school.

bombadino · 08/02/2018 18:52

I have a new word for handmaiden - transycophant
it appeared in my fuming inner dialogue... so I probably read it upthread.
I was a strong feminist when I was young but a decade or more ago I found myself moving in a world of younger professional colleagues with strange beliefs, and I realised my opinions aligned with those of the (older women)licensed prey. Liberal so-called feminism is a bitter joke.
Of all the peaks, cis - Fuck off! And the kids. And my friend's domineering dad who eventually is discovered to be CDAGP, and his poor mum relegated to "second best" as a woman. All the expensive clothes the budget would never have allowed for her.
I am just so happy to find this place. Strength in numbers people, and thank you for all the erudition and clarity.

OvaHere · 08/02/2018 18:54

For me it was the autistic girl at the school I work at, who also had quite severe mental health problems, deciding one day she was a boy. Instead of giving her the support to understand her issues and the fact that she also found girls attractive, she was dressing in the boys uniform, wearing a binder and being called a male name within 3 days.

There are now two more of these girls in our school.

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thebewilderness · 08/02/2018 19:00

"Has anyone noticed that transwomen make the news for success in business, sport, the arts and politics, while transmen make the news for having babies?" anon
The Feminazgûl

thebewilderness · 08/02/2018 19:07

When the misogynist white male AGPs came out of the closet and took their place under the trans umbrella in 2005 they set about destroying the LGBT community and then set their sights on Feminism.
I never believed the Big Lie that men transmogrify into women, but 2005 was when I realized that there was danger for more than their long suffering families from these men.

TheFirstMrsDV · 08/02/2018 19:27

What a lot of transpeople fail to understand is that while their lives may not be fad, the slavering transgroupism IS.
Everyone wants a transwoman on their show, in their articles, at their parties and on their podiums. Women who used to show off about have a gay bff now what a transwoman to go shopping with.

It won't last.
And you know what they will be left with? Women who would have previously chained themselves to railings to protect the human rights of any oppressed minority saying 'no fucking way, you threw us under a bus'.
The mainstream lads and lasses who harbour good old fashioned prejudice will do fuck all to help them out.

The media will have moved on to the Next Big Thing.

Elderslie · 08/02/2018 19:30

Link to thread 4 years ago

This is the thread me and Gacapa read.

It's interesting how a lot of automatic responses at the time are "good for you" and I've have put myself 50% in that category at the time - but I think after a while the weirdness of "this is what a woman is" performance presented by a heterosexual male shine through.

(re-reading, he admits in his OP he's come to Mumsnet to get women to basically get loads of " female views" to contradict his wife?!!! AGP widow I think now Sad)

rowdywoman1 · 08/02/2018 19:36

LoafEater

Transgendertrend has lots of information for schools here:

www.transgendertrend.com/schools-resources/

One of the things cautioned about is not 'celebrating' trans children as 'brave and heroes' and celebrating their transition - that's such a tool for social contagion. Being kind, watchful waiting and ensuring that both the child and family are supported by insightful and intelligent adults - NOT those seeking to validate their own adult decisions via children.

TheChampagneGalop · 08/02/2018 20:03

I peaked a long time ago, I'm just posting here because it's so great that so many others are seeing the madness for what it is.
A couple of years ago I was on a thread here where women with PTSD were told that they should just stay at home if they didn't want to share changing rooms and showers with "people who have penises". There was also a TW who would guilt trip and PM everyone about their language.
Now we can finally say that men are men and also not be abused for not wanting men in our changing rooms. Hurrah MN!

bombadino · 08/02/2018 20:17

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BrassicaBabe · 08/02/2018 20:21

Oh heavens! This thread has been a education. Like I need something else to get angry about Shock

Gacapa · 08/02/2018 21:11

I've just spent an hour re-reading that thread Elderslie. Thank you for linking to it.

The OP's posts become more and more unctuous as it develops. Grim stuff.

Destinysdaughter · 08/02/2018 21:35

A Woman's Place has had their website hacked and a fake organisation with the same name has just tweeted; Transwomen are women! Shock

SquareDot · 09/02/2018 11:44

Destiny that would be correct.

If you've only recently 'peaked'....
HeyRoly · 09/02/2018 12:49

I'm going to unfollow the Guardian on Facebook because I'm so hacked off with their mealy mouthed opinions pieces this week.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/08/self-certified-trans-women-all-women-shortlists-labour

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/09/transgender-women-labour-shortlists-gender-discrimination

This, plus the way they reported the TW on hunger strike story (failing to mention the prisoner's functioning penis and history of sex offences against teenage girls) means I am completely done.

WiggyPig · 09/02/2018 12:53

I was a vociferous supporter of trans rights (and still am - human rights for all). I began to contemplate the peak when it became clear that trans no longer meant people who wanted for whatever reason to transition, but supposedly included every fetishist male who said he was.

There have been a number of peaks since, but one memorable one was someone on a supposedly left-wing supposedly women's FB group posting to say that he was LITERALLY more oppressed by having to present as a middle aged man in his daily life at work than two lesbians who'd been beaten up in the street for being lesbians, because at least they'd been living their true authentic lives, and dozens of handmaidens flocked to agree with him. I hadn't realised to that point that this individual was only a woman on social media!

GrooovyLass · 09/02/2018 21:16

Definitely the Rose McGowan episode caused me to peak.

thebewilderness · 09/02/2018 21:22

What finally gave me to understand that some of the trans advocacy groups are terrorist groups is when they followed the women and stood outside the venue where the women met after being attacked at speakers corner. The stood outside chanting "burn it down" and the entire neighborhood was so alarmed that they called the police. That was when the women were able to leave safely.

TruthIsNotHate · 09/02/2018 22:31

Everything, and all at once - it's like once you notice one thing, you see it all.

Lily Madigan
Transwomen in competitive sports
'Transwomen are women'
Self-ID in sex-segregated spaces
Silencing language from TRAs - TERF, transphobe, #nodebate
Medicalising children

I can't believe the thread linked to above is from 2014. All of these things were being discussed then in an articulate way, and I was blissfully unaware. I think I might even have read the thread at the time.

thebewilderness · 09/02/2018 23:02

Reading this is when I realized what Lesbians were so pissed off about.
transgenderreality.com/tag/cotton-ceiling/

Juzza12 · 10/02/2018 00:06

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OvaHere · 10/02/2018 01:23

New peak

Genderfluid boy wants to use girls bathroom. Instead of saying no school bars him from playing any male sports and makes him play female sports and grants him access to bathroom.

www.newnownext.com/junior-white-kicked-off-basketball/02/2018/

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