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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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TheRollingCrone · 04/02/2018 16:54

Flounces on us! Never even told me what a woman is and I been waiting forever for a man to tell me!

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:54

" I absolutely hate all the transphobic threads on here. If I wanted to read that kind of bigoted shit I would just buy the Daily Mail. "

DM is a woman hating rag so you probably wont read that kind of stuff in it.
Nobody is 'transphobic' they are just saying that if someone has a penis, they are a man. It's really quite simple.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/02/2018 16:54

I am not transphobic - I am afraid of the negative impacts that radical trans support is going to have on biological women - in women’s shelters, in women’s sport, in any area where women have had to fight for equality - women only short lists to improve representation in Parliament, for example.

LaContessaDiPlump · 04/02/2018 16:54

That poem is fantastic - thank you for the link. Sums it up for me, utterly (even DH - card-carrying man - agrees)!

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:54

how is that 'bigoted'?

Sarahjconnor · 04/02/2018 16:54

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TeaEnjoyingRadientFeminist · 04/02/2018 16:54

See ya Mike. Thanks for the laughs.

SimonBridges · 04/02/2018 16:54

A woman could be entirely male presenting but still be a woman if they identify as such.

So a man wearing man clothes with a cock and balls can announce they are female and lo the world must spin the other way to make it such?

You silly billy.

AlpacaLypse · 04/02/2018 16:54

And now the intersex argument has floated in. There are vanishingly small numbers of people who are truly not either XX or XY. Don't lets further muddy the waters by dragging that group in.

A person who wears lots of make up and pretty clothes but has a penis underneath is a man who likes dressing up as a woman. And totally unwelcome in women only spaces. I don't care whether he is doing it because he's deluded or because he's a pervert. I just don't want him around me or my daughters when we're getting changed, neither do I want him trying to mansplain to me why he's got any valid opinion on what being female is.

passmethewineplease · 04/02/2018 16:55

You can't be a woman with a penis.

Has the world gone fucking crazy.

Tomorrow I'm going to self identify as a dog.

TinyRick · 04/02/2018 16:55

How and in what way are the threads 'transphonic', rothbury?

alpineibex · 04/02/2018 16:55

I also don't understand what is bigoted about knowing what a woman is.

stitchglitched · 04/02/2018 16:55

You're done here because you have spewed out the accepted TRA mantra but, like everyone else who pops on here to shout 'transphobia', you are unable to argue with facts and reality. Aren't you a bit embarrassed that you have reached such a point of delusion and going along with an ideology that you can't even state something as simple as somebody's biological sex?

iamawoman · 04/02/2018 16:55

Jog on mike

SimonBridges · 04/02/2018 16:56

Mike - come back.
I will give £10 to the charity of your choice if you can give me the definition of a woman that includes me and a trans woman.

Thanks.

mustbemad17 · 04/02/2018 16:57

I'm worried now. I don't do the aesthetic bullshit OP thinks makes you a woman...does that mean i am in fact a man?! 😱 How the fuck do i explain that one to my kids that i painfully pushed out of the vagina that apparently doesn't mean jack shit

SimonBridges · 04/02/2018 16:57

Oh, and VivianneMary.
Stop being so silly.
The change in marriage laws is nothing even remotely like changing sex.

KalaLaka · 04/02/2018 16:57

Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege

Or is it that transwomen are shocked when they don't get all the privileges that they enjoyed as men... but they blame women for it.

FancyNewBeesly · 04/02/2018 16:58

You're saying that having the opinion that possessing a penis makes you biologically male is a minority opinion? It isn't, and the extreme end of the trans lobby pushing increasingly misogynistic standards is only going to make that opinion more common.

Have you heard of the cotton ceiling? Google it.

I and several others posted very reasonable responses explaining that all we want is a discussion around self ID and how to maintain women's safety and rights. And that's your response? You can get stuffed, along with your blatant misogyny (although it seems that's allowed these days, as long as you're not a TERF)

lunamoth581 · 04/02/2018 16:59

MikePeterson hit all the TRA talking points, then flounced.

Enjoy being arrested when you try to express your intolerance in public by demanding a woman with a penis fail to show your required level of shame over her body.

Showed his hand there. Relishing the idea of women being punished for knowing reality - male and female exist as distinct biological categories and women are oppressed on the basis of sex. Accusing feminists of wanting trans people feel shame for their bodies when feminists believe exactly the opposite - that no one should be ashamed of their bodies because what's between your legs has nothing do with your worth as human being, or your interests, or personality, or preferred manner of dress, or hobbies, or etc.!

If he comes back, perhaps MikePeterson can answer this: if biological sex doesn't matter and it's all about how a person feels inside that determines their sex, the how are babies made?

TSSDNCOP · 04/02/2018 16:59

Your friend is a man. I do not hate your friend, I do not hate your friend for wanting to live as a woman. But I do hate you and people like you telling me that I have to share or give up my right to be a woman with people because a man says so.

And what is this “ciswoman” nonsense. It’s just WOMAN. Person born with penis.

KalaLaka · 04/02/2018 16:59

Interesting that OP calls people who question self-id 'bigots,' when surely not listening to or appreciating a different point of view is the very definition of a bigot. No-platforming has to be the essence of bigotry.

MissBeehiving · 04/02/2018 17:00

Women don’t have penises.

I am not “cis” - I am a woman.

Women have died to give us rights and protection- how dare you suggest that women talking and discussing these issues is a betrayal of that.

What would you know of women or feminism - you are simply supporting another man’s position over that of women. Your post reeks of vile sexism.

Idontdowindows · 04/02/2018 17:00

Woman = adult human female

Humans cannot change sex.

Adult human males cannot become human females and therefore cannot be women.

This is reality. All the rest is hubris.

SimonBridges · 04/02/2018 17:00

And Mike, we are not the minority. No where near.
As I have said on threads before to transwomen we aren’t the ones who will shout abuse in the street, who will pinch your arse, who will squeeze your breasts, who will beat you up, who will put a hand up your skirt, who will rape you.
That’s men. Try taking on them. They are the real threat, not us.

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