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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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stitchglitched · 04/02/2018 16:48

why does it matter?

So you won't answer what your friend's biological sex is then. Because even someone who claims a penis is female and a heart has feelings knows that there is a limit to what nonsense you can claim without looking either brainwashed, thick or goading.

TheDetectorist · 04/02/2018 16:49

stitchglitched, why does it matter?

Umm, because sex is how the segregation of spaces is done. Pretty relevant no?

If you genuinely believe segregation of spaces is by gender then what is the point of it?

mustbemad17 · 04/02/2018 16:49

Harvey your post is spot on

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TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 04/02/2018 16:49

She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Perhaps you want to tell your friend that being a woman is not about image, in any way shape or form.

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:49

I'm done here. I take comfort in the fact that you are holders of a minority opinion, doomed to be outvoted. It's 2018 and the world is going to march on without you into a bright new future. Enjoy being arrested when you try to express your intolerance in public by demanding a woman with a penis fail to show your required level of shame over her body.

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AtseneGatnalp · 04/02/2018 16:50

*She is a woman with a penis

So, a man then.*

MN is cheering me up no end now. Thank you, @BakedBeans47!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/02/2018 16:50

@MikePeterson - would your lovely friend with the penis insist on their right to work in a women’s shelter? Would they really say that their right to identify as a woman, and work in a place where only women work trumps the needs of women who have suffered abuse from their partners and who need a refuge that is free of adults with penises?

Anyone who does assert this right is not a nice person or a wonderful one, and is, a misogynist who does not care about retraumatising women who have already been traumatised.

TheRollingCrone · 04/02/2018 16:50

If only all the aborted girls around the world has a chance to identify as male! Sheesh life or lack of is a fucker sometimes Hmm.

Women don't have a penis.

rothbury · 04/02/2018 16:50

I absolutely hate all the transphobic threads on here. If I wanted to read that kind of bigoted shit I would just buy the Daily Mail.

I do think maybe it's time MN had a form section "Transphobes Anonymous" or something where you can all post and agree with each other and the rest of us can avoid seeing it.

UpstartCrow · 04/02/2018 16:50

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Disgusted by all the transphobia here
SchrodingersFrilledLizard · 04/02/2018 16:50

I'm having trouble with my browser

More importantly, you are having trouble with reality.

Bejazzled · 04/02/2018 16:50

Honestly stopped reading at "woman with a penis"
That would be a male then op.

speakout · 04/02/2018 16:51

OP sorry- it's shite.

All this " identifying as a woman " crap is sexual fetish.

I wear jeans and a hoody most days. I am a a human firstly, a female second.

SchrodingersFrilledLizard · 04/02/2018 16:51

I'm done here.

Bye-bye.

KayaG · 04/02/2018 16:51

This thread's a joke, isn't it Mike? No one actually believes as you pretend to.

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:51

Mike, the thing that this thread shows is that we are not 'holders of a minority opinion' unless that is another way of saying 'just women'.

If this is how you get your rocks off on a Sunday afternoon, I suggest you join your little imaginary friend down at the therapist's.

Have a nice day.

SophoclesTheFox · 04/02/2018 16:52

Bye, mike!

By the way, you haven’t changed a single person’s mind. Bit of a wasted day for you really. Better luck tomorrow, eh?

exLtEveDallas · 04/02/2018 16:53

She is a woman with a penis. No, she is a Transwoman.

Linda Bellos is a woman.
Your imaginary friend isn't.

There is no transphobia on MN, because we aren't scared of Transwomen. Fed up of them, annoyed by them, sick of them calling us names, threatening and committing violence against us. Pretending to be women to get into our sports teams, our changing rooms, our prisons and our Women's shortlist's, yes.
But scared of them? No.

Fekko · 04/02/2018 16:53

I think you mean ’enjoy being beaten up by men if you question a mans ability to magically be a woman just by saying so’.

Do you deny the fact that woman are being threatened and beaten up by men on this subject for questioning the one statement ‘a man can be a woman by saying they are’?

TheShaniaTwainExperience · 04/02/2018 16:53

This thread is great, highlights all the crackpots who believe there is such a thing as a woman with a penis

I know who to avoid on future threads now Grin

LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 04/02/2018 16:53

There are no bigots here.

The bigots are the fucking people denying actual scientific facts.

You cannot "feel" like a woman if you are born male.

And it's very fucking telling the comment about a trans identifying male being more "feminine" than an actual biological woman.

What does your friend think a woman is, exactly???

Because as far as I can see, it's all about the dresses, pink, heels, make up etc.
Which, as a woman, I don't touch with a bargepole.
Does it make me trans if I only ever wear mens clothes, shave my head and don't shave body hair??

I have given birth, had periods, I have health conditions that are exclusive to XX chromosomes, I went through a hideous pregnancy........don't you dare presume to fucking tell me that ,men, who will never, ever experience what it is like to deal with the biological reality of womanhood have the right to claim that label.

And no, no one with a penis, no matter what they look like, should have access to spaces for vulnerable, abused women who are traumatised.

What the actual fucking fuck, don't trans people campaign for their own safe spaces, instead of forcing themselves on our, hard fought for spaces??

areyoufuckingcrazy · 04/02/2018 16:53

Bye Mike, and thanks for all the bullshit!

alpineibex · 04/02/2018 16:53

Why does it matter that your friend supposedly appears more feminine than Linda B?

Could you possibly be conflating femininity with womanhood? Just a little bit? Hmm

corlan · 04/02/2018 16:53

Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out Mike.

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