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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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apintofwhine · 05/02/2018 21:46

The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.
No but they might have spat on me for agreeing blindly with a man who told me what I should think

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 05/02/2018 21:50

Woman with a penis Confused

I need to retake my GCSE biology

isadoradancing123 · 05/02/2018 21:51

If you have a penis you are a man. I identify as a millionaire, I am not though!

Myunicornfliessideways · 05/02/2018 21:57

I think your comments re Linda Bellos reveal how you really view womanhood

^^ Nailed it.

NoqontroI · 05/02/2018 22:01

We need to bin self-ID, go back to gatekeeping to safeguard women and children, and then proceed to fight for social acceptance for dysphoric trans people.

Yep. This.

gingergenius · 05/02/2018 22:14

@UpstartCrow - I know that. Should have been a sorry-not-sorry. Not sure why you felt the need to point that out but yes, I realise that.

UpstartCrow · 05/02/2018 22:17

gingergenius Sorry - its been on my mind today.

Gigimoll · 05/02/2018 22:26

Oh gawd these posts make me rage. Honestly RAGE.
Everyone is so offended by EVERYTHING and it does my head in.

Okay. In my mind. There's a male sex organ or a female sex organ. Each come with different hormones and each come with different parts. (testes, ovaries etc). I want to say that I'm not transphobic. Live and let live. I do believe sometimes the spirit can enter a different body. Hence transexuality. I don't overly care as long as you're a decent person.
But I can't stand when people are ignorant towards others for stating the facts. The person in question is a man. Born with a penis who identifies as a woman. Alas, by birth she is not a woman. But a man. That's the blunt truth of it. That's what is on their birth certificate. Male.
You cannot tell others off for their opinions and thoughts. At the end of the day, people have their own views and they are entitled to them. But the facts are there's two sex organs and we have one of each which determines our gender. An some people see it that way in black and white. Unless said person is a hermaphrodite, please don't tell others off on a post for something that probably doesn't concern them as we do not know the person in question.
Why can't people just leave each other alone and live and let live no matter who they are?

gingergenius · 05/02/2018 22:31

Ok. Definitely not apologising for thinking that a Male has a penis and a female has a vagina. If a penis-laden individual wants to dress in what's considered 'feminine' by society, to appease his sense of self, then he should go right ahead. I don't look very feminine most days. Doesn't mean I'm Male. But I will not consider a trans woman is exactly the same as me. Because we're not.

I will happily accommodate a transwoma's need to be accepted as they see themselves. I will absolutely stand up to and call out anyone who thinks it's ok to cause this person harm because of how they want to present themselves to the world. I would walk side by side with any transgender individual to protest against violence and bigotry.

However, if there is an intact penis, the person it is attached to is not female.

The same as dying your hair ginger doesn't make you a redhead!

SimonBridges · 05/02/2018 22:56

I stand by what I said earlier.
£10 to the charity of your choice if you can give a definition of a woman that includes me and someone with a penis and doesn’t include the words women or feel.
I don’t ‘feel like a woman’.

BronwenFrideswide · 05/02/2018 23:26

I'd be prepared to match that Simon.

Women is not a feeling or a performance.

What an excellent bit of misogynistic guilt tripping in the opening post about crying most of the day because, of course, only women cry.

WitchIwasaWitch18 · 05/02/2018 23:30

Not forgetting the "friend" is a long time poster who has got upset by something someone has said on here to him. Probably because he's made a daft comment and got called out on it.

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 23:40

I wish I'd bookmarked it - but it was so barmy I just clicked away. But I saw a thing on Twitter that had little pictures "what is a woman?" and pics of ovaries & womb, and XX crossed through. Then pics of lipstick and high heeled shoe - with a tick.

I mean, how dare they dismiss us like that? Talking about reducing us to biology - or genitals - but that's reducing us to fucking makeup & high heels?

Frequency · 05/02/2018 23:46

I mean, how dare they dismiss us like that? Talking about reducing us to biology - or genitals - but that's reducing us to fucking makeup & high heels

Wait, so I'm not a woman? I mean, I have ovaries and a womb and the other physical parts connected to that but I don't own any high heels or lipstick.

Does this mean men will stop catcalling me if I dare to leave the house? If I point out I'm not wearing high heels and lipstick will the sexual harassment and 'banter' stop?

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 23:51

Ooh, maybe you should try that tack, Frequency.

Yell transphobe at the catcallers and threaten them with violence. Then get 3 of your mates who are 6'4'' and male bodied in lycra leggings and high heels to jump them beat them up.

Isn't that how we're doing things these days? You know, politically? I'm just saying it as I see it - apparently these trans rights bods are on the right side of history, after all.

WitchIwasaWitch18 · 05/02/2018 23:51

High heels, wigs and masses of face paint along with fancy stockings was traditional mens wear a few hundred years ago. If that's what they are really "crying" about than crack on and do it. You don't need permission. Seems to me there is a very shallow version of what some men believe a woman is. Hint; it's not all silk knickers and pouting poses on snap chat darling.

JacintaJones · 06/02/2018 00:10

Lady-dick
Girl-penis
Woman-cock

Oxymoronic moronic shite.

IF YOU HAVE A PENIS THEN YOU CATEGORICALLY ARE NOT A WOMAN

Traffig · 06/02/2018 00:20

OP, I saw your comments about your "friend" and was ready to listen.

Then, I saw your shallow, and irrelevant, remarks about the appearance of a Woman whom I have always respected.

Which is about where you lost it with me.

However 10/10, well done, for being so mansplainy.

Do pass that on to TearyOne won't you?

thebewilderness · 06/02/2018 01:51

Trans identified males are a subset of category male. Obviously.
"Transwomen are women" is a big lie that requires dismissing material reality and taking a leap of faith like a belief in transubstantiation. No one actually believes it. Not even the trans identified males who shout it and chant it and threaten to kill us if we refuse to submit.

thebewilderness · 06/02/2018 01:55

My grandma would never spit on me for telling the truth. Never.

thebewilderness · 06/02/2018 01:56

When men turn tolerance into submission it is way past time for women to come together and say ENOUGH!

Flomper · 06/02/2018 02:34

I have heard transactivists say that the difference is that young kids don't stick to their insistence that they are a cat, dinosaur, etc. My reply is - you really don't know much about young kids

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Maybe the people who believe this haven’t had the experience of explaining to a small, stubborn child they they are not: Spider-Man, a cat, a dinosaur, allergic to broccoli, innocent of drawing in the walls in crayon (especially when they have drawn their own name), allowed to drink coffee/wine/laundry detergent...

My child has been insisting from when they could vocalise it (about 2) to date (early teens) that they are allergic to cheese. They are not allergic to cheese, they just dont like cheese.

Similarly, Transwomen are not women, they dont want to be traditional men. Fair enough, but not women.

Mylady · 06/02/2018 03:14

Maybe if they cry enough thier cock will fall off -?

OnTheList · 06/02/2018 03:26

My child has been insisting from when they could vocalise it (about 2) to date (early teens) that they are allergic to cheese. They are not allergic to cheese, they just dont like cheese.

God, I used to do this too, and for some reason, still do Blush All through my childhood I said I was allergic to fish skin. I don't know when I started saying it, but the reason was because my mother was. I stuck to this all through my childhood..absolutely adamant that eating fish would make me blow up like a balloon. My family knew it was bullshit but I still insisted. And even today, I have never ever tried fish as I lied about it so much its now in my head and I do not dare actually try it incase it turns out I AM allergic. So I instead still say that I am, without knowing. Its ridiculous really. I hate the smell of it mind so don't think I would like it. But thats not really the point.

Cheese does actually give me migraines. Even a tiny bit. Which I find strange as milk and such I am fine with.

My kids are currently both dogs, specifically Chase and Marshal from paw patrol. I am not plannng to get them spayed anytime soon, luckily.

TanquerayTickles · 06/02/2018 09:18

Your friend may identify as a woman, but clearly doesn't identify WITH women. If they did, they wouldn't want to make women feel uncomfortable. Why would anyone want to do that, hmmm?

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