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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/02/2018 12:55

Mike should change their username to PEAKerson.

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 05/02/2018 12:58

Trans people are in the same situation gays were some years ago.

Lesbians still have males trying to have sex with them, just like they did some years ago. But now the males are telling them that they're transphobic bigots if they refuse.

That's not progress, that's homophobic rape culture.

PositivelyPERF · 05/02/2018 12:59

He really is a self obsessed wanker, isn’t he. Wants to be visible to 8 year olds. Blergh. That made me nauseous. Creep.

crunchymint · 05/02/2018 13:03

No Trans people are not. Not that long ago lesbian and gay people had no protection under the law. You could be legally sacked for your sexuality, denied housing and services - and many were. And many many lesbians lost their kids - this was all happening in the 80s and 90s, not that long ago.
It is actually bloody offensive to compare that to Trans people now days not being seen by many as the woman or man they claim to be. Trans people have lots of legal protection.

PositivelyPERF · 05/02/2018 13:05

You what. Even if I get attacked by a man of a different colour or culture to me, I’m still going to be happy sharing a female space with a Woman of that colour or culture, because a woman will not pose the same risk to me. She’s unlikely to perve on, molest, physically intimidate or rape me. So that bullshit comparison between TIMs and homosexuals/lesbians or POC is bullshit.

sourpatchkid · 05/02/2018 13:05

I'm a tall women. Physically, of course, I'm short, but that's just my body, I self identify as tall though so please allow me to get that tin of beans I can't actually reach off the shelf for you.

Biology is just biology. Your friend has "feminine" qualities. But also a penis. That kinda makes him a man.

BertrandRussell · 05/02/2018 13:06

“Trans people are in the same situation gays were some years ago”

They are really, really not. And to say they are shows a sad lack of historical knowledge.

Frequency · 05/02/2018 13:10

A few days ago, I'd have had some sympathy for OP. MN and it's anti-trans sentiment always made uncomfortable but in light of the whole Rose McGowen/Andi Dier thing I'm starting to be swayed more to a MN-typical viewpoint.

It doesn't sit well with me that a sexual predator is being given support because he happens to be trans. It doesn't sit with well me that a survivor is being abused on social media.

And that's without taking in account that the comment Rose made which sparked all this was factually correct and in no way transphobic. Trans people have had different experiences growing up than cis people.

I don't know about anyone else on this thread but I've never experienced waking up with an erection, equally I doubt any trans-women experienced constant, low level sexual harassment from a very young age. They may have experienced bullying for other things and that is wrong but it's not the same as what women and girls faced, I'm not saying it's not equally bad but it's not the same and trans people have no right to commandeer women's issues and make them all about them.

stuckinreverse · 05/02/2018 13:11

ffs i read the first post, that was enough. these people are either delusional or trolling or both. i can't believe how bloody ridiculous all this is getting, to have to come to the realisation that women are hated so much by men, we are living in very dark times, it's all so incredibly sad.

PositivelyPERF · 05/02/2018 13:11

Straight, white men, that want to wear dresses and demand entrance to female areas, even if the females don’t want them there, expect sex with lesbians and call them bigots, are similar to gay people and people of colour? Just fuck off.

YourVagesty · 05/02/2018 13:17

Late to the party but ummm...thanks Mike, for your words of wisdom

Bluelady · 05/02/2018 13:20

Just caught up with this. Wind up, Mike? Has to be.

bobstersmum · 05/02/2018 13:21

A woman with a penis? What went wrong?

BertrandRussell · 05/02/2018 13:22
sashh · 05/02/2018 13:24

The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

I doubt it, your friend has never had to fight to vote, to have surgery/use contraception. And I don't remember many people with penises fighting along side us, however they 'self identified'.

GetDownDog · 05/02/2018 13:26

Haven't rtft, you had me at "the penis isn't inherently gendered"

It's totally and completely sexed though. Gender is a damaging social construct.

I am less feminine than Linda Bellos, where does that leave me?

GetDownDog · 05/02/2018 13:29

And another thing, part of being a woman means that right now, as I have my period, I need to stay at home because I will flood, even using tranexamic acid. No amount of identifying and crying about my gender will stop this monthly hell.
The very fact that men aren't incapacitated in this way on a regular basis means they have privilege based on their biology.

Fuck gender, it's a load of rubbish.

OnTheList · 05/02/2018 13:34

A man is a man. Says who.

Mother nature..

A force we could not change even if we wanted to.

The ultimate transphobe.

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 13:36

Rose McGowan's discomfort and anger during her confrontation by a sex offending transwoman, and the travesty of organisations like 'Women's March' taking the side of a sex-offending male, over a sexually abused female - seems to have caused a lot of people to see the trans rights movement for what it is - a misogynist, woman- hating movement.

The OP saying he would want to see us all arrested, for not upholding the fairytale that men can actually become women, was no slip of the tongue. They actually want this - they want to harm us for not deferring to them - men with penises.

The men's rights movement has waited years, decades even, for such a chance to encroach on women's rights.

And if you need anymore proof of this, take a look at some of the transwomen who are not buying into the trans activist movement - the ones quietly living as women for years, never demanding that lesbians sleep with them, never demanding that we take the concept of 'female penis' seriously, never shouting at us or threatening us with violence, the ones who were previously taken under the wing of the feminists and women. This movement will harm them too.

rb67 · 05/02/2018 13:42

Mr OP - feel for your friend. However women have spent centuries trying to gain an equal voice in society. We're getting there but not quite made it yet. We are not going to give away what we have gained simply because the men are getting upset.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 05/02/2018 13:43

So Mike flounced without telling us what the wonderful gender differences are?

But he did tell us that his beautiful friend was a woman because they are feminine, never mind their penis.

So where would any gender differences come from? The brain, but would that not mean that there is a male and female brain? How come? isn't that biology then?

Come on Mike. Stop with the soundbites and use your brain.

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 13:49

Mother nature - the ultimate transphobe

I like it!

Melamin · 05/02/2018 13:52

So Mike flounced without telling us what the wonderful gender differences are?

I wanted to know that too.

SleepFreeZone · 05/02/2018 13:57

Hecalledmecarrots that’s such a fucking depressing video isn’t it 😬

DickTERFin · 05/02/2018 13:58

Oh Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, Mike!

Flouncing because the mean harpies won't bend over and take their lashes and for their egregious attachment to facts and logic? Precious.

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