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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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Fekko · 05/02/2018 11:13

Why do you have to be feminine to be a ‘proper’ woman.

I know a woman, in a very ‘male’ job, bloody gorgeous (as is her wife). Are they ‘woman enough’ because she is beautiful and don’t think/say they are men?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/02/2018 11:13

Enjoy being arrested when you try to express your intolerance in public by demanding a woman with a penis fail to show your required level of shame over her body

What does that even mean?

Fekko · 05/02/2018 11:14

Trollbot got confused

juneau · 05/02/2018 11:14

She is a woman with a penis

No, she's a man. Women have vulvas, not penises.

crunchymint · 05/02/2018 11:14

Spartacus What it means is - women stop thinking about yourself and start taking care of men and their feelings.

Ereshkigal · 05/02/2018 11:17

Nope, but you can legally change whatever the fuck "woman" refers to, and if you think that's ga-ga crazy you might want to have a word with a good number of nations across the globe.

I do think it's gaga crazy. The sweeping gains of this nonsensical misogynistic ideology don't change my opinion one little bit.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 05/02/2018 11:21

Oh goody the threads back.

Notice the handmaidens and TRAs haven't been able to answer a single sensible question.

It's like a fucking Orwellian groundhog day.

I am so, so fucking enraged by the continual insistence that women shut the fuck up and give up our hard won spaces for penises.

FUCK THAT SHIT

crazycatgal · 05/02/2018 11:22

If men as a class didn't rape and abuse then Trans Women like your friend would have a much easier time. Go and have a go at men instead of women who don't want a penis in their space.

Datun · 05/02/2018 11:22

Enjoy being arrested when you try to express your intolerance in public by demanding a woman with a penis fail to show your required level of shame over her body.

Seriously, will the projection never end?

The absolute last people to shame anyone about their body are feminists.

But you go right ahead and use your staggering male entitlement to suggest that women who disagree with something you've actually made up, should be arrested!

Soubriquet · 05/02/2018 11:24

Anyone else feel their blood boil when they see the fucking word cis!

I am not cis! I have never been cis! I will never be cis!

If you want to label someone, label the ones who are changing. Not most of the fucking world

Ereshkigal · 05/02/2018 11:25

In your misogynistic dreams, pal.

Yes I'm sure it is. I'm sure Mike has thought about it in some detail.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 05/02/2018 11:27

I too furiously reject men labelling my womanhood as "other".

I am not fucking "cis"

I am a woman.

Fuck off with your cis bollocks.

ChattyLion · 05/02/2018 11:27

Thinking about the harms caused by the deliberate politicised erosion of language (eg by stretching out a single term to cover everything until it essentially loses its meaning).. I can only imagine that trans people experiencing real transphobia must be horrified at how this word is being trivialised by being applied by some people to mean ‘anything disagreeable to them’.
Not to mention being used as a cover to silence others who are speaking well within the bounds of patently non-transphobic reasonable discussion etc.
It’s awful to appropriate words that describe actual harm and attack and misery that people will have experienced.

Myunicornfliessideways · 05/02/2018 11:27

Over on site stuff there's a request that basically a board is added on the feminist chat where TRA stuff can be discussed without being challenged or debated or nasty people saying things like people with penises aren't women.

Not enough that there's the whole rest of the internet, media, twitter, facebook etc for that, no we have to shut up here too.

misscockerspaniel · 05/02/2018 11:29

Cis is on a par with the n-word. Both are used to cause offence.

Thanks MN for reinstating this thread.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/02/2018 11:30

Over on site stuff there's a request that basically a board is added on the feminist chat where TRA stuff can be discussed without being challenged or debated or nasty people saying things like people with penises aren't women

Someone needs to suggest the same for MILs in AIBU :)

crunchymint · 05/02/2018 11:32

There are already too many boards here that are rarely used. There is a reason most stuff is posted in Chat or AIBU

Ereshkigal · 05/02/2018 11:34

This is the future that guys like Mike and plenty of our little friends in the Labour hard left would like to see for women. A man using human rights legislation to bully and terrify women into subservience and silence. He asked social media to "crowdsource her details"

twitter.com/4th_wavenow/status/955941826212585472

PositivelyPERF · 05/02/2018 11:35

So a man is crying because there aren’t enough stupid handmaidens on MN agreeing with his fantasy that he’s a woman. That’s tragic. Not. Boo fucking hoo.

Melamin · 05/02/2018 11:37

Cis is on a par with the n-word. Both are used to cause offence

^^ This. Both are used by one group to 'other' another group and keep them in their place.

Soubriquet · 05/02/2018 11:41

Just think, in the future, the c-word won't be cunt.

ForagingForFaerieGold · 05/02/2018 11:43

Haven't RTFT yet but - er nice story dude. We are expected to believe that a "woman with a penis" came HERE looking for the acceptance they couldn't find elsewhere?
So... You mean aside from practically EVERYWHERE else atm then?
Bullshit!
I could believe in the all day tantrum over being told they aren't a woman though. That fits.

PositivelyPERF · 05/02/2018 11:45

Just think, in the future, the c-word won't be cunt Cunts will become lady cocks. 😒

Hecalledmecarrots · 05/02/2018 12:43

Another furious lurker here, aghast at the sheer lunacy of the trans debate.

The wonderful Magdalen Berns puts some wise and humorous perspective on it all in her latest video. It’s very amusing too and well worth a watch:

OnTheList · 05/02/2018 12:50

how would you feel if due to negative experiences with your race a group of women started demanding you and all those with the same race as you be relegated to another changing room?

This is actually hilarious. Its not a new thing that women are saying they do not want the bepenised in their changing rooms. There have been sex segregated changing rooms for a very long time now, which have always been segregated by sex..as...what else would they be segregated by? There are male and female people. They are different, different biology. The bepenised have a terrible habit of attacking the vulva-d (vulvaed?) and as such, its safe for the ones with vulvas to be away from the ones with penises when in states of vulnerability and/or undress. Even without this risk, there is a privacy issue. Men do not want women watching them change either.

Do you disagree with sex segregation fullstop Mike? I think you would find near all women, and most men would disagree with you on that one. We quite like privacy from the opposite sex.

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