Disgusted by all the transphobia here

[MikePeterson]

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

I think we should either completely blank idiots like Mike or use diversion tactics like ‘ Look ! Squirrels! Whenever they raise their unoriginal, goady little heads.

Yesterday I reported and had deleted a post saying - in these exact words:

"I AM a transphobe. Bite me."

This was on a thread which undoubtedly still exists, where every other poster was saying every single word they could find to gleefully express the same position without saying those magic words.

And this is okay now is it? This is really okay??

Everyone on that thread seemed to think so because not one single poster took the poster to task on it, and it was HOURS before I could get it taken down. Now what does it say when people will stand idly by and turn a blind eye to an "over" statement of hate? Don't you tell me this isn't tacit approval, and knowing that it is I urge you to take a look at yourselves for heaven's sake!

What emboldens people to wear the badge of transphobia with pride? In a society that surely is not to young to remember what happens when exclusion and discrimination gain popular momentum, how far is too far? How far is each of you prepared to take this?

Metaphorically screaming "You are not a woman you misogynistic and dangerously deluded legally recognised woman" is NOT an acceptable paraphrase for "I appreciate you have your position, but I believe passionately that mine is the stance I have to take in order to protect the existing rights of women and girls".

Fuck sake, where the fuck is this taking us.

overt not "over"

I agree Mike is probably in a relationship with his 'woman' friend.

And that's absolutely fine. Love is love. Attraction is attraction.

But it's really reminding me of a programme about 'ladyboys' a few years ago when they were interviewing a middle aged English guy about his relationship in Thailand with a 'ladyboy'.

'It's the best of both worlds....body (he meant tits) of a woman but the sex drive of a man'. And I thought 'fair enough'...but.....and a cock. She has a cock Alan so if you think you're still a good all hetero English bloke...you're not. And it's really okay to like cock if you're a man. It really is. You don't have to call her Katie and like her tits and tell yourself and everyone else that you're a hetero man, you can like cock you know... it's okay to be gay or bi.

So, if I self-identify as Galadriel from LOTR does that mean I can read the future from a bucket of water ? No? Bugger

By the way 'femininity' is a heap of mysogynistic crap - don't you dare impose a set of rules on women to define them as female. I am a women, in-spite of short hair, jeans and unpainted nails. And women, feminine or not, tend not to have penises.

I live in hope that neutrals will see these threads and the lack of rational debate from Mike and those of his ilk will demonstrate that what we're dealing with here is faith-based, emotional blackmailing crap.

This thread is like TRA bingo

poppy possibly, Violet Elizabeth Bott.
‘I’ll sthcream and sthcream until I’m sthick!’

I had to google cisgender woman as I hadn't heard the term before today. What a load of pretentious old nonsense. Stupidity.

I don't care if Mike and his "friend" cancan dance down Piccadily Circus wearing nothing more than a thong and a pink feather boa. He still has a penis however much he cries about it. Dress is up in a pink ribbon and call it Gertrude. I bet Mike still wanks with it.

*Metaphorically screaming "You are not a woman you misogynistic and dangerously deluded legally recognised woman" is NOT an acceptable paraphrase for "I appreciate you have your position, but I believe passionately that mine is the stance I have to take in order to protect the existing rights of women and girls".

But coming on here and making personal insults towards Linda Bellos = fine. Right ho.

How far is each of you prepared to take this?

Taking it back to the facts would be a start. Like not being able to mystically change 'sex' just by thinking 'I am a woman'.

A bright new world.

My view of this bright new world is that all of these ever so helpful people fighting for trans rights forced me to seek private therapy for my child and now my child is getting on great but im being taken to court for non payment of rent because i simply couldnt afford both and my child's mental wellbeing had to come first.

We couldn't get any more help on the nhs because all of the wonderful trans activists have made it so that feeling transgender isn't considered a mental health issue.

Thanks to the private therapy my child is now 'detransitioning' for want of a better word but we may well become homeless.

A bright new world indeed

HarveyKeitelRabbit I agree with you, but in particular:

"And the 'look more feminine than a lot of women' is the misogynistic BS only perpetrated by men. That women wear certain clothes or have their hair a certain way - the 'look' designed to appeal to men."

A mans outfit or make-up doesn't make him 'more of' a woman than a woman's actual body does, and if the OP is so determined to state that what's between our legs doesn't matter his friend wouldn't be keeping his penis would he? It matters, why should we have to pretend it doesn't?

"Then something changed. A small group of men wanted more and more and more and more. Not just the right to be who they are and not be discriminated against or abused but to be considered exactly the same as women. And I said no. Because they're not. Even with hormones and surgery."

"And now they want to be treated exactly the same even without hormones and surgery. Just because they tell me they're the same. Because that's how they 'feel'. They want womens spaces and roles."

I know the kind of man you mean actually. And it's not just limited to this particular issue unfortunately.

I had a man tell me that I was a misandrist, and a feminazi, and a cunt because when I gave birth to a stillborn baby I had access to a bereavement midwife, yet when his ex girlfriend had a termination he wasn't given a bereavement midwife to look after him, and I didn't think he should have a bereavement midwife.

He did not give one tiny fuck that my bereavement midwife was necessary for my physical care, which he didn't need because he is a man and hadn't had the termination himself. He lost his shit on that one and started shouting about the 'grow a womb' argument.

He didn't care that in a town of 300,000 people we have just one bereavement midwife, or that we're lucky to have her as lots of hospitals don't have one. That one woman should have been available to him, a man, because it's not fair!

He didn't care that I probably had access to her in person for less than an hour all told, because she's in a lot of demand from woman who have lost babies, sometimes even years after their loss.

Instead it was all about him. Why should I get something he wasn't getting? If he wanted it, what does it matter if women were in greater and more direct need? He wanted it and he was going to shout down every woman who told him he couldn't have it.

He was under the impression that the NHS is just throwing money at women who have given birth, lost babies, or had terminations, which is sadly not the case.

I think in different circumstances he'd be right there with the men in your club, wanting what they think they're not getting, not caring who needs it more than him.

Lots of men seem to think women are taking something from them and they're becoming angrier and nastier in their attempts to 'take it back' now.

I have no problem with someone who has a GRC and is legally a woman. I have no problem with someone on that road. They won't have a penis at the end of that road.
I do object to men "identifying " as women, calling me a cis woman or a Terf or whatever and invading my space.

Oh ffs - even in films they get the baddy to put the fucking weapon down before they throw him in jail with other people.

Take away 'her' weapon penis (before you throw 'her' in with vulnerable women/people - in prison, in changing rooms, in refuges) and then we'll talk.

I really shouldn't rise to it but I'm feeling salty so let's play TA troll bingo...

• Man telling women they are womaning wrong. Tick
• TIM feesfees are hurt it's literal violence, but female victims of rape/sa just get over it. Tick
• Appeals to authority. Tick
• TIMs are more feminine & better women than you. Tick
• Yuck! repulsive GNC lesbians. Tick
• Cisprivilege. Tick
• Why can't you just be nice?. Tick
• Conflating sex segregation with racial segregation. Tick
• Conflating sex & gender. Tick
• Conflating deterministic ideas about sex with reduction to your sex. Tick

Have I missed any...?

Also men don't have penises & female is not an identity.

"What emboldens people to wear the badge of transphobia with pride?"
Ignorance.
But also the ridiculous dilution of the word by the way it is being used to describe anyone who dares to ask any questions.

Like not being able to mystically change 'sex' just by thinking 'I am a woman'.

Nope, but you can legally change whatever the fuck "woman" refers to, and if you think that's ga-ga crazy you might want to have a word with a good number of nations across the globe.

whambars, that's shit. I'm sorry.

terryleather

Don't forget billions more TIMs are raped and murdered than women and girls could ever be. Our cis privileges prevent this.

How far is each of you prepared to take this?

I'd like to take it to the massively radical point of not reforming the GRA. Big stuff I know. Can society handle the seismic nature of this not-changing-stuff? Who knows.

OvaHere I knew I'd missed at least one...

We could resolve all the issues surrounding trans by replacing the terms man and woman with "person born with a penis" and "person born without a penis". (Yes, I know intersex etc but such classifications would cover 99.9% of the population).

"Nope, but you can legally change whatever the fuck "woman" refers to,"

That's the problem, I don't get to decide what 'women' refers to. Only men have that privilege. I get to agree or get abuse thrown at me.

replacing the terms man and woman with "person born with a penis" and "person born without a penis"

So women once again a subset of men.

How about person born with a uterus and person born without a uterus