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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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speakout · 04/02/2018 17:08

She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image

Says it all really.

Sillybilly1234 · 04/02/2018 17:08

If your friend doesn't like or gets upset by what they read on Mumsnet then tell them not to read it.

Quite simple.

iamawoman · 04/02/2018 17:09

Miked gone - he cant argue with the facts of biology

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 04/02/2018 17:09

twitter.com/KaeleyT/status/959922609059020800

MountainsofMars · 04/02/2018 17:09

A penis has no inherent gender, what matters is the mind in the body it is attached to.

Failed GCSE Biology did you?

brizzledrizzle · 04/02/2018 17:10

She is a woman with a penis

That'll be a man then?

He is a wannabe woman.

I wanted to be male when I was a teenager, even if I'd gone to a shop and bought a strap on penis I'd never have been a male. I'd have been a woman who was pretending, a fake man as it were.

Anlaf · 04/02/2018 17:10

Enjoy being arrested when you try to express your intolerance in public

aye - I've been reading this weekend about the shift to hard authoritarian views (both left and right) in modern politics - here and worldwide. This is an interesting data point - not just to wish your political enemies to lost the argument (or "be on the wrong side of history"), but wishing them arrested for holding their views.

MrsJoshDun · 04/02/2018 17:10

Mike, assuming you’re straight (?), would you fuck your friend? Because she’s a woman and all that. Would you let her fuck you?

Serialweightwatcher · 04/02/2018 17:10

This has to be a joke or the world has gone totally mad - can't believe what I'm reading ... if you read the definition of penis, it is still a MALE genital organ, so therefore belonging to a man. She is a woman with a penis therefore is a contradiction in terms Confused

iamawoman · 04/02/2018 17:11

He is a biology denier

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 04/02/2018 17:11

Seriously out of order to be attacking Linda Bellos like that.

Women are not here to look pretty for you Mike. This is why you can't see the bollocks you are talking, because you see women only for the aesthetic package presented to you. As you can see from this thread, we are much, much more than that.

Now take your sexist arse and piss off

Fairenuff · 04/02/2018 17:11

Maybe Mike is just attracted to his friend's penis so calling it 'female' helps him cope with that uncomfortable (for him) reality?

FrancisCrawford · 04/02/2018 17:12

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LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle · 04/02/2018 17:12

Annnndddd once again, a TRA flounces, rather than engaging in the sensible and respectful debate we are trying to have with them.

And the handmaidens, coming on, shouting "TRANSPHOBE" at us then running off again.

No one ever answers the hard questions, they just expect us to shut the fuck up and agree.

I am a hardcore lefty liberal.

But I find the world in which I'm in....where an actual fucking male child sex abuser (with the male penis that abused women) gets to abuse a woman talking about her horrific (and, interestingly, very biology related) abuse at the hands of predatory men and gets applauded for it....where a be penised rapist gets housed with vulnerable women because of his poor fucking feelings, without a tiny shite given about the mental distress they might cause to the women.....where "woman" is reduced to a bunch of horrible stereotypes that generations of actual women have fought to abolish...... is going backwards.

WOMEN DO NOT HAVE PENISES.

THE END.

UpstartCrow · 04/02/2018 17:12

Transphobia is a hate crime, misogyny is not a hate crime, but trans women are women.

Doublethink is a helluvu drug.

Quickchange1 · 04/02/2018 17:13

S torming off and telling us the world will march on without us ! hmmm you think? the same world where Donald Trump is the one of the most powerful men!? could your friend possibly stop crying and consider a 3rd space ? a trans space ? cos that would be ok wouldn't it ? a gender neutral space or specifically trans space. Cos surely forcing a penis into a woman's only space isn't fair... or hasn't she any empathy for women and girls?

RideOn · 04/02/2018 17:13

Gender is bullshit, so your friend looks more “feminine” than a woman.

Women aren’t women because they are feminine, if I wear men’s clothes I don’t become a man, or nearer male or manliness.

The “men’s clothes” are just cloth assigned to a gender by society (and it varies by society and historical context).

I will call anyone by the name and pronoun they choose. I am sorry that they are distressed and don’t want the gender associated with their biology (+/- their biology) and I’d always support anyone to dress, wear makeup or present themselves how they wish.

However your friend is a man presenting as female gender, this is a transwoman. Not a woman with a penis.

CapnHaddock · 04/02/2018 17:14

You lost me at 'she is a woman with a penis'

brizzledrizzle · 04/02/2018 17:14

A penis has no inherent gender, what matters is the mind in the body it is attached to.

What an interesting concept. So, if I look at your friend's birth certificate it will not say male, it'll say 'no inherent gender'.

Every day really is a school day.

Rachie1973 · 04/02/2018 17:14

MikePeterson

Cisgendered women

Just woman thanks. You can keep your CIS and I'll keep my identity.

Charolais · 04/02/2018 17:14

Men pretending to be woman are mentally ill and here is the proof;

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=_26jcKQFZ14

Geronimoleapinglizards · 04/02/2018 17:14

the rate of crime motivated by the gender against transgendered individuals is far higher than that against cisgendered women.

I personally find it really exciting that in 2018, if you and your allies repeat something over and over again, it apparently makes it a True Fact. Even when it isn't. Shock It's brilliant. I might have a go sometime.

Op, you might want to stop and take the time to do some actual research. It'll hurt your brain a little as the cells get stretched a bit but overall it'll help you in future debates. Have a look at the actual murder rate of transsexuals in this country compared to women, for starters. You might get a bit of a shock. Then maybe move onto the number of women who've had fgm performed on them. Then maybe investigate areas in the world where there are still child brides. And maybe you could look at how many women are turned away from refuges here in this country bevause there isn't space to house them.

Actually, just don't. Keep making stuff up. It's far more fun.

MyBrilliantDisguise · 04/02/2018 17:14

Does anyone ever answer the question of whether Rachel Dolezal is white or black?

TempusEejit · 04/02/2018 17:15

So we can all just label things however we want and just because we wish for it hard enough, it becomes fact? Bollocks (which is seemingly the main problem for your "friend").

falang · 04/02/2018 17:15

Your friend doesn't have to come on here. Mumsnet upsets lots of people. Not just men.

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