M&S changing room policy

[iamawoman]

Apparently to allow any transperson in to which changing room they feel most comfortable. This is mentioned today as a transperdon was refused access to changing staff prob because they didnt look like the SEX of the changing room they wished to enter 🙄

medium.com/@LogicalMarcus/is-julia-serano-right-that-transwomen-are-female-a989dca9d026

This is a massive, essay-length deconstruction of Serano and not from a feminist perspective either.

Well worth reading if you have time to spare.

I agree with Datun that there doesn't seem to be much ground to cover but I'm glad for the links, that open letter to Serano is great. I remember when [[https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent this article came out last year and how great it was a for a bit until Serano decided she needed more attention by tearing us apart. 10-15 years ago when I was in, detransitioned people were expected and welcome part of the community, since we've become some boogeyman by people like Serano. After throwing so many people under the bus, I don't get how anyone can view Serano as a respected voice. Serano is only out for Serano.

Debbie666 - Since you asked what I thought of it: the abstract of that article clearly states that they created new parameters to make it fit natal women rather than using the one used males. That in itself says a lot before getting the tiny sample size and the major issue with the idea of studying natal women so it can be applied to trans women as implied by the end of that abstract. I personally find it very unethical to study female sexuality for the purposes of benefitting male sexuality.

My "misunderstanding" is based on several studies, including The Psychometric Structure of Items Assessing Autogynephilia which includes all the things I listed as part of the things used in the assessment.

To quote from the Appendix:

"Appendix 1 Items Assessing Autogynephilia
(General Autogynephilia Scale)1-5: not at all, a little, moderately, quite, very arousing

How sexually arousing would you find each of the following activities?1. The thought of being a woman.

1. Picturing myself having a nude female body or certain features of the nude female form.
2. Picturing myself with a woman’s breasts.
3. Picturing myself with a woman’s buttocks.
4. Picturing myself with a woman’s legs.
5. Picturing myself with a vagina/vulva.
6. Picturing myself with a woman’s face.
7. Picturing myself as a woman being admired by another person.
8. Having a stranger mistake me for a woman.

10. Picturing myself as a woman having sex with a man. 11. Having a man take me out for a romantic evening. 12. Picturing myself wearing women’s underwear, sleep-wear, or foundation garments (for example, a corset). 13. Picturing myself with polished nails, makeup, and lady's perfume. 14. Picturing myself wearing a beautiful dress and high-heeled shoes. 15. Picturing myself lactating and/or breastfeeding. 16. Picturing myself menstruating and using tampons. 17. Picturing myself urinating while seated like a woman. 18. Picturing myself being pregnant. 19. Picturing myself getting my hair done at a lady’s salon. 20. Going to the women’s bathroom or locker room in public. 21. Sitting in a feminine way. 22. Speaking with a high-pitched, clear female voice.

Now, we can't compare to the Women's version due to paywall and I'm not going to pay for what looks like crap unethical research but I still stand by my statement that if 93% of women found several of those arousing as would be needed for diagnosis, we would be too distracted by clit-boners to do much though thankfully for our anatomy it wouldn't really affect changing rooms and facilities much and certainly has very little to do with the need for sex separated facilities that women have long fought and continue to fight for.

Sorry, should have previewed.

First link The Detransitioners

The Psychometric Structure of Items Assessing Autogynephilia

I imagine AGP individuals are so keen to be women that blurring any distinction between them and women is a plus.

That and the conflation of self appreciation with arousal.

Also, I can't imagine any women getting turned on by nail varnish.

I can easily imagine them getting a frisson picturing those same painted nails running down a man's back.

I've seen enough man conflate the two in order to minimise their fetish though.

I'm glad to see DN4 chiming in. That study (which I've been seeing AGPs bang on about for a while now) is complete bunk because for women "do you imagine yourself having a women's body" is going to be read as "do you imagine yourself having your body, or a younger/thinner/more perfect version of it", which is not at all the same thing as being a man and imagining yourself having a women's body. The equiv would be a woman who fantasizes about herself having a cock and balls, broad shoulders, etc. Like Datun says, it's just pathologizing women for being comfortable with our own bodies, while then intending to use that to support the idea that it's the same thing as fantasizing about having a body of a different sex. Typical dishonest, woman hating nonsense.

Serano hates detransitioners because their existence proves that just because you might at one point in time think that you might be trans that doesn't mean that transition is the right thing for you. That has all kinds of implications from the transitioning of children to the question of why someone might think that and turn out to be wrong. It's one of those questions that must not be asked because it threatens to bring the whole house down.