M&S changing room policy

[iamawoman]

Apparently to allow any transperson in to which changing room they feel most comfortable. This is mentioned today as a transperdon was refused access to changing staff prob because they didnt look like the SEX of the changing room they wished to enter 🙄

I don't think most of us get aroused by the idea of "being mistaken as a woman by a stranger" since we can't be mistaken for what we are or get aroused by the idea of "talking in a high clear voice" or "having a woman's face" or "getting hair done at a salon". If a high proportion of women did, we'd be too distracted by constant blue-clits to get anything done.

This just shows your misunderstanding of AGP.

And for the record non homosexual transsexuals do not get turned on going about their daily lives either which is where Blanchard theory breaks down, well it would if he hadn't made it so contrived that you can be AGP without experiencing arousal which kind of goes against it being a sexual paraphilia , always the sign of a good theory, keep bolting bits on when the previous base theory is refuted and culminate in the ultimate, witch test of transsexuals are either AGP or a lier if not homosexual.

As for AGP in females I wonder what Datun and DN4GeekinDerby make of the Moser study which found 93% of females when assessed against Blanchard's AGP diagnostic criteria met the AGP classification. Which both blows a huge hole in his assertions that AGP is not present in natal females, but also that it even is a paraphilia at all, and most likely not a male sexuality but just an aspect of female sexuality.

Ps thanks to the person who whispered in my ear about Moser and made me feel less alone.

www.researchgate.net/publication/26660017_Autogynephilia_in_Women

Debbie6666

Most people's understanding of AGP is that it's a fetish whereby men are aroused at the thought of themselves as a woman.

I'm sure it varies in severity and is on a sliding scale. A quick glance at the Reddit sub forums shows that.

There also appears to be a progression and porn features heavily.

I've actually read narratives which have stirred my sympathy. One can't help, sometimes, one's psyche delivering a bad hand.

And the binge/purge aspect, I'm sure can be distressing.

I genuinely would like to see a campaign to find the cause.

However, hijacking the narrative of transsexuals, for whom the GRA was originally intended, has alienated people from the entire concept of transgenderism.

The insistence that a man who fetishises womanhood is actually a woman, and should have access to their intimate spaces, is something that no woman on earth will buy.

Neither should they be expected to. The fetish should be practised in private or within the community. If at all.

Not rebranded as transgender.

If you like comparing apples to oranges you will enjoy using Moser to refute Blanchard.

But I am sorry my challenge was to the repeated statement that trans women commit crime at the same rate as the male population and the fact is there is no unbiased scientific study that supports the claim as presented.

Recent stats show that transwomen actually commit sexual crime at a higher rate than other male people. Thats rather concerning, don't you think? I am aware that the original data was collected by a womans rights group and as such transactivists disputed it and said it was all exaggerated. Which is why I am glad MOJ released the actual figures, which showed the womens rights grup actually underestmated the figures. So it seems pretty conclusive, given there appears to be no other studes done. That it is not accurate to state transwomen commit sexual crime at the same rate of men, data shows they commit sexual crime at a higher rate than other men.

Does it count as autogynephilia if its an image of yourself as yourself?

Get a third gender neutral space and you'll never be alone.
You might not like the company, they wont be as patient with you as many have been, but at least you wont be so lonely.

Wow. Again I had had this page open in the background for absolutely ages (over a day...I need to reset the laptop) nd did not refresh beore posting and now see there has been an extra hundred or so posts that I have no read. Second time I have done this in 3 days

Catching up now

Debbie6666

Yes I've seen that study. I'm not reading it again. I think it's behind a pay wall, anyway.

The questions that were asked were leading, as far as I remember.

There is a current shift in the AGP community which claims that women who get a sexual tingle before they go on a hot date, for instance, are displaying signs of AGP.

Or, if they imagine having sex with someone and become aroused at the thought, the fact that they are imagining having sex in a woman's body (ie their own body), it's a sign of AGP.

Or appreciating themselves in the mirror, is a sign of AGP.

It isn't.

Women don't fetishise the idea of their own womanhood.

Neither are campaigning to get into men spaces, because they are fetishing the idea of manhood.

I'm sure, given that woman fetishised the Eiffel Tower, (I believe it was a woman, it), there are some very strange people who will fetishise anything.

But trying to claim that AGP is not a prevalent male fetish, is just wrong.

Ps thanks to the person who whispered in my ear about Moser and made me feel less alone.

You don't have to be alone.

You're posting on the feminist board.

There are literally dozens of other boards here, on almost any subject.

We not really your target audience. We've been talking about this for years. We know the drill.

Have a wander over to AIBU. You tend to get people more prepared to have a bit of a bunfight. Often lighthearted.

I'm not sure there is much more ground to be covered here, to be honest.

OK finished now. AGP is junk science. Umm. Yeah. Go read Julia Serano ..just LOL.I have nothing else to say to thyat load of crap to be quite honest. But its good to have you back Debbie anyway.

@AngryAttackKittens

This is why I was a bit short with the lady from Norway who turned out to be perfectly nice earlier (which I feel bad about). After years of dealing with Debbie, Rat, and friends you kind of hit an "oh FFS are you serious with this shit?" stage.

Please don’t feel bad. I’m still here, still reading and learning. I just needed to take some time to pull myself together. I have a habit of leaping into things and sometimes it lands me in the shit and I’m not great at dealing with it. And you didn’t say anything terrible. I also overreacted.

Tbh Debbie, all this talk about whether AGP exists, or trans offending rates are just irrelevant, meaningless distraction, which seems to be a pretty standard TRA stance on any debate.

What we must remember is that the proposed amendments to the GRA apply to EVERY male, including the violent sex offenders. It's those buggers we're afraid off. Not Haley Cropper or Grayson Perry.

Yes - that's absolutely it twitchy

If you believe "transwomen are women" then the predators just become evidence that "some women are criminals".

If you don't believe transwomen are women then it becomes a simple case of"actually I don't want men in women's spaces regardless of how they present and my human rights to police my own boundaries when it comes to who gets to see me naked, touch my body, who I can be expected to share sleeping space with, should be respected.

If you believe "transwomen are women" then the predators just become evidence that "some women are criminals".

I posted this on the thread about Canada but I wonder if there is a significant NAMALT angle to all this too. How better to relieve male guilt about their sex class than to see crime committed by 'women' go through the roof. It gives so much validity to the women are as bad as men argument you see perpetuated quite a bit.

It perhaps explains some of the bizarre support for people like Andi Dier.

Just to back up my above point

twitter.com/kindnessroast/status/959550063386222592

"misgendering andi dier because she “can’t be a woman” if she sexually assaulted minors is TERF-y and disgusting and ignores that women also perpetrate assault and abuse. you cannot use her predatory and despicable behavior to justify your own transphobia wyd"

"misgendering andi dier because she “can’t be a woman” if she sexually assaulted minors is TERF-y and disgusting

And we're on the wrong side of history? These individuals are furious because women aren't being polite enough to paedophiles?

misgendering andi dier because she “can’t be a woman” if she sexually assaulted minors

I imagine people 'misgender' Andi as Andi is a male, not a female. As such it would actually be 'misgendering' to say Andi is a woman. HTH, whoever tweeted that rubbish

Andi can't be a woman, as Andi IS MALE. Not because Andi sexually assaulted minors.

I think most people I have seen have been saying they will use preferred pronouns and such out of respect generally, but they have no respect for paedophiles who will shut down women speaking about their won experiences, so they won;t lie to be 'nice' in cases such as this.

andi dier is the poster boy for what women have been alarmed about from the beginning of the dispute over sex segregated spaces and predatory males. andi dier cosplays a woman to gain access to girls without alerting security and with criminal intent to sexually assault them. He has done so successfully dozens of times according to his victims. He is one of many well known predators in local malls just like Roy Moore, the predator judge, was well known in his local mall.

No worries, LostSight, we're all good! I'm glad you're still reading, takes a while to head around some of this stuff.

Andi Dier can't be a woman because he sexually assaulted minors with his penis. Which women don't have.

Also, on the recommendation that everyone read Serano, whoever wrote this pretty much summed up my take on him.

deludedserano.wordpress.com/tag/julia-serano/

And for those who've never had the, um, pleasure of reading the real thing, here you go.

www.thedailybeast.com/the-struggle-to-find-trans-love-in-san-francisco

Apparently women are evil because we have boundaries and are selective about who we shag and men are nice and kind and accepting and open-minded because some of them will fuck pretty much anyone.

I don't know why transactivists seem to think Serano is the second coming or something. It always gets wheeled out. And it's not very good. Baffling.

I've had tons of people earnestly recommend Serano's writing to me with "it will blow your mind!" type comments, and I'm just going...in that his writing is terrible? Is that's what's supposed to blow my mind, that this drivel got published in the first place? Or is it the part where a biologist thinks that sex isn't real?

Open letter to Julia Serano from a detransitioner

AngryAttack - thank you so much for posting that Serano piece. I've had so many men quote Serano at me and tell that no trans person has ever said that lesbians are wrong for not wanting penis in their bedrooms.

And there you go! And agree, shit writing too

We never said that thing that we clearly said and that there's a record of us saying!

Another thing that TRAs and MRAs have in common.