M&S changing room policy

[iamawoman]

Apparently to allow any transperson in to which changing room they feel most comfortable. This is mentioned today as a transperdon was refused access to changing staff prob because they didnt look like the SEX of the changing room they wished to enter 🙄

Sorry, my comment was to BerkInBag

titchy I absolutely know what you mean self id could make men less hesitant about going into the ladies at a pool or even at M&S, but realistically the bloke could do the same with children in the mens, be it boys or less likely younger girls swimming with Dads. I don't wish to minimise the behaviour you describe as anything from an adult towards a child like this is abhorrent, but you see how gender is not really the key factor. Maybe we have a stronger view of men targeting girls, but still the issue is being wary of strange adults, gender aside. I'm sorry it happened in your pool and hope whatever steps can be taken that it doesn't in future.

Berk valid points and true of a lot of things that self id in practise will not solve existing problems or create new ones.

You know it reminds me of the old Little Britain sketches.

Funny how things changed to allow then to do exactly what he wasnt allowed to do in this video clip.

Who cares, it's not as if it's communal and they'll be waving their penis around or jiggling their breasts in the middle of the room . . . we really should be past this omg they might see my leg/breasts/arse etc

Have you read the thread Jon?

Nope, couldn't care who uses the changing rooms, male female, transgender, transvestite, black white, disabled one legged people, intersex, androgynous etcetera. Just lose the hysterics please.

Just lose the hysterics please.

Lol.

Read the thread.

Never ceases to amaze me how some people can have an opinion about something they haven't read.

Why should you individually not caring mean that other people's concerns are invalid? That's not any kind of argument or reasoning.

It's the discrimination I find offensive.

Jon66 do you mean the fitting rooms at M&S with sturdy, lockable doors pretty much floor to ceiling. Or do you mean communal changing at the pool, which even with my general support for trans rights would draw the line at pre-ops using. Or anything inbetween.

You'll need to specify @Jon66, if you're claiming discrimination.

Jon66 doesn't care about cocks in communal changing rooms because (presumably) he has one himself, so he can't see why the silly hysterical women should care either. Silly women, wanting personal boundaries and privacy and crap like that. They should be more like men and not care. In fact, many of the best women he knows are in fact men these days. Much better class of women. Not prone to hysteria at all. What with not having wombs that can wander and all that shit.

Meet the new misogyny. Same as the old misogyny.

Many women care, Jon. If you don't then you're welcome to invite all and sundry into the new space that you will now be creating for yourself and them.

It's the discrimination I find offensive.

What discrimination jon?

Women are protected under the equality act on the basis of their sex, transwomen are protected on the basis of gender reassignment.

Which discrimination are you talking about?

I have teenage dds and I dread the idea of unisex changing rooms, or self identifying trans women allowed to use the women's. I used to work in the lingerie dept of a large store (not m and s) and we were plagued with men hanging around trying to cop a look. There was one man who used to bring his small child into the shop and chase him into the changing room, always when there was a young woman in there. Another man regularly brought jeans in to try on insisting that there was a queue at the men's dept. We figured out fairly quickly that he was wanking in there and barred him. There were lots of other weirdos about, and the idea that these men wouldn't call themselves trans to get away with it is laughable. As a pp said what is wrong with women not wanting to take their clothes off in front of strange men. and there are some very strange men about

And part of the problem is people who are questioning it, but without the context of fully appreciating the power dynamic that operates between men and women.

Right. I need to mull this over some more. Thanks for your reply and the link Datun. Food for thought.

I don't want a man in the Ladies changing room. Otherwise they might as well have unisex ones. And I wouldn't use them.

There are FAR more men who direct their abuse at adult women than children. So whilst men that direct their abuse at children are abhorrently dangerous, fortunately they are few and far between, and kids are massively less at risk (fortunately) than adult women are.

Datun

And transwomen are a subset of men. They offend at the same rate.

You have made this assertion quite frequently, Perhaps you would like to quote a bit more of the study which found that particular soundbite.

Perhaps include the data that found that the participants were grouped into pre 1980 and post 1980 transitions, Whilst in the pre 1980 group crime rates did continue at the same rate for overall crime (not just violent and sex crime), it was also found that in the post 1980's transition group the crime rates fell and were inline with the rate of the female population. Of course pre 1980 was an extremely hard time to be trans with practically zero protections and opportunities for many.

So your nice little quote of a study is quite misleading and nearly 40 years out of date in terms of crime rates for current transitions.

Has anybody already posted about the effect this could have on the many many 24 hour gyms that have sprung up around London? They are unstaffed a lot of the time and you have a code that will only let you into the appropriate changing room. I already feel a bit weird in there when it's late and the other customers are mostly male. The changing rooms are really sound insulated, which makes me nervous.

What do you make of this Debbie?

fairplayforwomen.com/prisons/transgender-prisoners/

I'd not considered that Wanderingwomb but I certainly wouldn't be using one. I could well imagine that they would quickly lose female business.

They are outside London too, my friend is a member of one not far from here.

apologies as i haven't been able to read the whole thread. i just wanted to add that this mixed changing rooms will not work - a couple of weeks ago at wolverhampton/bentley bridge leisure centre a man was filmed masturbating in a cubicle by two 14 year old girls who were getting dressed in the cubicle next to him, you could not see him as such but could clearly see the shadow of his very large member on the changing room floor, it was disgusting, the doors did not reach down to the ground, there is a gap at the bottom, he was clearly masturbating & groaning, it was extremely disturbing. the girls ran from the cubicle to inform a member of staff, the girls were basically ignored, nothing was done, the man got away. the parents of the girls took to facebook to complain & warn others, there was uproar, thousands of shares, people were taking to the leisure centres fb page to complain, it was only many hours later that the police were informed. others were complaining about similar incidents at the leisure centre which had again not been dealt with by staff, safe guarding is an issue there. the posts were being quickly deleted/covered up, the parent of the young girls was threatened with legal action by the receptionist who ignored the incident!!! it was at a places for people leisure centre, i have searched to see if the press have picked it up but as with most of these things, they seem to be falling between the cracks.

jon66 some disgusting human being was waving his member around in wolverhampton a few weeks ago!!!! get your head out of the sand!

Let's take the swimming pool thing. And let's say there is a horrible incident like that one just previously.

I don't know all pools of course, but the 3 nearest me all have predominantly young/junior staff/lifeguards poolside, who are less likely to have the skills to handle such a gruesome circumstance. Managers are few and far between on the 'shop floor'

Are we going to need bloody security guards at pools now? Isn't that a sign things are really off?