Why DO people 'believe' transwomen are women?

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Actually why?

Because the act of 'believing' without evidence or logic is cult like ideology to me.

The repetition of 'transwomen ARE women' on twitter, facebook etc is like a mantra of a cult. Like repeating the rosary or something, and the more that it repeated, the more people double down in their thinking.

I really feel bewildered half the time now.

It feels like a cult

Like a cult or religion, I guess people are free to believe what they want.

But we are not forced to believe other people's religious beliefs; why are we being forced to believe that 'transwomen are women' and 'transmen are men', when there is no objective, material truth in that statement

It's the new Reformation, but logical thinkers, not Catholics, are being hounded out and targetted.

It's mind blowing

Gender neutral always means boys stuff that girls are allowed to use.

Gender neutral is meant to mean that frills and sparkles are designated for girls and camouflage trousers are designated for boys.

It's easier for girls to wear boys clothes because they are punching up. Not so easy the other way round.

I suppose eliminating the extremes of both sets of clothing is the only way people can make a start. Therefore, it ends up looking a bit beige.

It IS a start though. Beginning with colours.

Clothes are incredibly gendered, at the moment. It does need to be rolled backwards.

Autogynephilia isn't really about getting turned on by clothes in isolation. It's about fetishing womanhood. Sexual clothing is just the manifestation of 'womanhood'

Hmm, that's a little at odds with a couple of crossdressers I have spoken with, but then don't consider themselves 'trans' in any way, they both said they simply liked wearing women's clothes but still felt masculine. Perhaps that IS autogynephilia in some eyes, but not in mine. They didn't seem to be aroused at imagining themselves as women. Of course, they may have lied, or even misunderstood their own motivations, but I believed them - they just felt good in them. Pretty simple and understandable answer I think! They just liked what they liked, and maybe people are trying to look too deeply into why?

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I'm sure a lot of cross dressers don't say they are Trans. Grayson Perry is one.

It would be an awful lot easier if they didn't. They never used to. I think it was widely understood that it was a fetish that was either practised in secret, or in the community, but not forced on women.

In the US, it used to be pink for boys, blue for girls, then after the war it reversed (allegedly).
This colouring scheme (a simple but common example) seems to be a 19th century invention, and I wonder if it's currently universal across all cultures (I suspect not).

Yes Datus, that makes plenty of sense to me. I can certainly see how a man might enjoy it without it being some indication of lack of masculinity (ergo it must be his feminine side). Can't he just like stockings, or heels fgs!

Are you still female if you've had a hysterectomy?
Are we still human if we have a leg amputated?

I had a really interesting discussion with an old friend earlier - followed on from meeting up with some like minded people earlier today It was the 1st time I’ve really spoken about this stuff to anyone & I didn’t know my friend’s stance. Explained roughly what my take on things were & what the issues are & straight away I could tell she was viewing what I was saying as bigoted as she believed transwomen are women & said as much. After some further discussion & gently digging further into her beliefs it was rooted in the understanding that a transwoman is someone who has fully transitioned, had surgery & to ‘all intents & purposes’ was a woman. She also believed that no transwoman would ever be a threat to women in a woman only space. We jostled a bit on the finer points & when I’d explained self ID & the implications she did understand. She also agreed that self ID isn’t something that she would agree with. But she still believes transwomen are women if they’ve gone through a full transition.

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A few months ago i had a chat with an old work colleague

She asked what i thought about 'this whole trans business ' and i told her my views and about what i felt were the dangers of self Id

And then she told me that her son had come out to her as trans!!

It might have been handy to have had that information at the start of the bloody conversation!!!

What do people propose to do about the over 80% of men who take the drugs to grow breasts so they can wear womanhood like a costume because it gives them a boner, but have no intention of having any surgery?
They are not transitioning, they are simply identifying out of material reality and into the opposite sex.

Rufus, I get that feeling! My friend asked me where I was earlier & I gave vague information & then she dug a bit - I had no idea of her views beforehand & I think I just thought I’d just go for it/air my thoughts. I was beginning to regret it but we are old friends, it wasn’t an aggressive or argumentative discussion which made it easier to get behind what we were each thinking. One of the reasons I think things are so charged & polarised is down to the no debate stance. Nothing will diffuse thins toxic atmosphere as long as that stance is maintained.

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Scary isnt it

Thing is in real life when ever i have the conversation (which isnt much) everyone seems to accept that i have no problem with trans people

On here you seem to be automatically transphobic

I don't! Women are those born with a vagina and ovaries (I know some people are born with undetermined sex but I am not referring to them...hope that isn't rude) I also understand gender dysmorphia. A man in a dress is not a woman. Sorry if this offends but I think I am allowed an opinion!