Why DO people 'believe' transwomen are women?

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Actually why?

Because the act of 'believing' without evidence or logic is cult like ideology to me.

The repetition of 'transwomen ARE women' on twitter, facebook etc is like a mantra of a cult. Like repeating the rosary or something, and the more that it repeated, the more people double down in their thinking.

I really feel bewildered half the time now.

It feels like a cult

Like a cult or religion, I guess people are free to believe what they want.

But we are not forced to believe other people's religious beliefs; why are we being forced to believe that 'transwomen are women' and 'transmen are men', when there is no objective, material truth in that statement

It's the new Reformation, but logical thinkers, not Catholics, are being hounded out and targetted.

It's mind blowing

It seems that some people decide for whatever motivation that the word woman doesn't have to mean adult human female anymore.

IMO men - and some women - say they agree with it because they personally are not concerned about transwomen using women’s spaces, eg toilets, changing rooms, hospitals, competing in sports, being gynaecologists or nurses when a woman patient has asked for a woman to provide the care. Nor are they much concerned about the views or feelings of women who ARE concerned.

“I’m alright Jack” / “this doesn’t affect me”.

Some might be more concerned if they were aware of the potential for any man to be deemed women for the above purposes just because they say so.

Have a look at the transfriendly threads, Strawberries, and search for PidgeonPodge (with a d), or OrderMeACurry (I don't think harv was on those threads).

@MsBeaujangles

Do people ever reply to the TWAW mantra with #prove it or #I don’t believe you?

I often do it on twitter - just with “no, they aren’t”

I get blocked quite a bit

There is a thread with the words "trans support" in it on the first page right now. You could go do the clicky thing and check it out?

I agree that no one actually believes it, but people think that pretending they do is the kind thing to do and doesn’t cause any problems.

Oops, actually it's "trans friendly". And right there waiting to be clicked on!

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass.

Before I was aware of this issue, I considered myself a feminist. However, I had no idea what kind of feminist I was or even that there were so many kinds.

But because I know that sex is immutable and don't think that prostitution is as valid a choice as being a shelf stacker in Morrisons, I am informed that I am of the Rad Fem variety.

I am however, uncomfortable with the Marxist analysis, because I am not a Marxist. I also find terms like 'patriarchy' off putting and likely to induce much eye rolling. I don't think it's helpful.

I object to being called a TERF on many grounds. It really pisses people off on Twitter when I tell them that I don't identity as Rad Fem. (or exclude transmen from female spaces)

"A male cannot become female but a man can become a woman."
I understand where you are going with this strawb but woman does have meaning, which is adult human female. Why can't it be ok for a man to wear and do all the 'trappings' of women i'.e. femininity' while being a man. There is nothing wrong with femininity as such. I don't think you will find a single woman who would object to males choosing to be more feminine if they wish.

strawberries if you see 'woman' as being a social construct, as in the gender 'woman', what is it based on if not the person's physical biology? Sure males (biology) are viewed as men (construct) due to their biology? Because if I wear men's trousers, shaved my head, put on a mans shirt, I would still be viewed by society as a woman - based on the fact that biologically I am a woman. I am trying to understand your reasoning.

Here on MN you are not allowed to be anything other than 100% against all trans people or you get roundly personally attacked

That is an outright lie

strawberriesaregood

Oh, read the threads and stop projecting, you childish person.

Sticking up for women as an oppressed biological category of human being is not anti-trans in any case.

HairyBallTheorem

Thanks for your brilliant post. I need to do a few reads of it and take it in. I think that the postmodernism influence is responsible for much of this, but I find a lot of it baffling too.

I was a bit confused reading one of those Irish feminists on Twitter. She admitted sex is biological and gender is a social construct. So... surely that undermines her whole argument? You can't be born the wrong social construct, can you? Then I realised what she meant. A social construct can be anything society wants it to be. A 'woman' is whatever you say it is. I think that is their argument in a nutshell.

Emperor's new clothes, innit.

The lie/con involves asserting that anyone who believes that there is no substance to the emperor's outfit is either unfit for their position or hopelessly stupid. Substitute "bigoted" for "stupid" in the new version.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes#Plot

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

George Orwell 1984

Unfortunately the youth of today appear not to be particularly well read and completely miss where that quote comes from or what it signifies.

It's an excellent test for social compliancy, that's for sure, the extent to which a given person is willing to play along.

Not physically or biologically. But intellectually and sociallly yes. if they are living big as a woman and passing as a woman then they are treated as women, act like women, face some of the problems that are common to women then that is woman enough to me. While our biology effects us a great deal and defines us a great deal there is more to being a woman than a female body. To suggest that a woman's body is a crucial element of her gender is one step removed from people who argue that women who don't want children are unnatural. I don't define myself by my body. If you ask me for a list of things that make me a woman my body would be last on the list. I wouldn't define others in such a way at either. I'm not saying that transwomen and natal women are exactly the same or that they face exactly the same struggles but I wouldn't say that about two different natal women either. I don't agree with ignoring the fact that transwomen have male bodies and all that entails but I also don't agree with deny their womanly elements. If I woke up tomorrow in a man's body I would not be a man. My body would be male. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't change it. But that wouldn't make me a man. I am not my body.

Why do people believe transwomen are women?
They don't.
But it allows them to exercise pure sexism whilst masking it with virtue signalling.

Ultimately, it's a failsafe way of ensuring women get less rights:

"If you ask me for a list of things that make me a woman my body would be last on the list." That is an interesting perspective, and I'll be honest one I find very hard to understand.

If you asked me for a list of things that make me a woman, my body would be the only thing on the list.

@eggsonheads if you had been born with a male body do you think you'd still feel female? Do you have a 'female soul'?