Trans friendly thread!

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Hi MNers!

Just first of all want to say this isn't going to be a goady thread or a place to slag anyone off of be abusive. Everyone can have an opinion and everyone's allowed to think that they like.

2nd, if your anti-trans or don't believe trans people should be alllwed to self ID or that they aren't the gender they say they are etc pls be respectful and don't post here. There are loads of threads about all kinds of discussions about being trans that you can post on and I think it would be fair if you didn't do that here. I Obviously can't prevent anyone but It would be nice for this space to be respected as trans friendly and not taken over for other reasons. If you don't agree just leave and post somewhere else instead of using this thread please!

That now said - I'm all for trans rights and I think trans men are men and transwomen are women. I don't know if many MNers feel the same but if you do say hi! Or if anyone is trans know that you have an ally in me this thread can be for a chat or support or (friendly!) discussion. Or maybe I'm the only one here lol and I can just talk to myself...

Xenophile - exactly! When I'm told 'google it I respond with 'to the books'!

Google can be paid to bury results pages down or preference others.

I think it 'smacks of man' that Trans and Trans-Allies expect women to do the academic and emotional labour when asked a question. Women are expected to work to find all the evidence, Trans believe they don't have to support what they say.

@datun

"But you can't target mumsnet without drawing attention to it.

As soon as you draw attention to it, people see the well reasoned argument and understand the conflict.

And a new gender critical feminist is born."

Yes! One here! None of this had never occurred to me really until reading this thread. And now I'm deeply worried where all this self ID will lead eventually. In my simple mind I just can't comprehend how a man with a penis can be classed as a woman?

It's a shame that she doesn't understand that the minute she falls behind the curve and says anything that is now wrongthink, none of this present virtue signalling will count for shit, they'll still threaten to kill her.

I know. "But.. but I'm a trans ally! I'm not like those other women, Paris! Please don't set your fans on me!"

In my simple mind I just can't comprehend how a man with a penis can be classed as a woman?

I think the word you're looking for there is "clear" rather than "simple".

Yes! One here! None of this had never occurred to me really until reading this thread. And now I'm deeply worried where all this self ID will lead eventually. In my simple mind I just can't comprehend how a man with a penis can be classed as a woman?

You and everyone else.

Welcome, btw.

"I think the word you're looking for there is "clear" rather than "simple"."

Yes my mind is definitely getting clearer on this subject.

Couldn't bear to read what is no doubt a horrible thread but I wanted to put in my two cents.

Hear, hear, person who started this thread! I've been contemplating starting a similar one myself. I would like all the trans people who use and need Mumsnet to know that they are welcome here and that, like I've done recently, they would do well to steer clear of the Feminism section - it's horrible and seems to be almost entirely used by terfs. I hope that you can turn a blind eye to all the awful, nonsensical things said about you, in order to get whatever you need from Mumsnet. If you ever want to chat, feel free to PM me :)

You can be whatever "gender" you want.

In New York you can be recognised as any of 31 genders. On Tumblr that goes up to several hundred.

Tsk Empress. How exclusionary! Several hundred? There are as many genders as people!

https://www.quora.com/Scientifically-how-many-sexes-genders-are-there/answer/Key-Foster?share=5eb82575&srid=GZx

Couldn't bear to read what is no doubt a horrible thread but I wanted to put in my two cents

Why would you "start a similar one" yourself when you can't bear to read the "horrible" responses?

Trans Pom Pom wavers 'can't bear' to consider opposing viewpoints. Ridiculous really.

Reiltin thank you for your contribution which is typical.

"I don't know what you are saying but I disagree with it and slur you for saying it. This makes me a good person. I put virtue signaling above actually checking what trans members of Mumsnet are saying about their issue."

Great work.

*Couldn't bear to read what is no doubt a horrible thread but I wanted to put in my two cents.

Hear, hear, person who started this thread! I've been contemplating starting a similar one myself. I would like all the trans people who use and need Mumsnet to know that they are welcome here and that, like I've done recently, they would do well to steer clear of the Feminism section*

You mean the feminist section which unequivocally supports my right as a transwoman to be safe from male violence, that listens to me and engages with me?

Posters like you and the op don't give a shit about transsexual women, this thread makes that clear. Transwomen have posted on here and been ignored by the likes of you, why the fuck would I pm you?!

Don't you dare use people like me, who you can't even bring yourselves to listen to, to signal your virtue and try to beat intelligent women's valid points down with your ignorant rhetoric.

The only people you speak for are bigots, misogynists and homophobes. Don't fucking kid yourself.

Couldn't bear to read what is no doubt a horrible thread

So just like all the other "you're all so transphobic!" posters you're going to ignore the experiences of the trans people on this thread, including myself?

Great, thanks. That is so helpful to us

@Reiltin I would like all the trans people who use and need Mumsnet to know that they are welcome here

May I introduce you to @OrderMeACurry and @PidgeonPodge, to name but two trans contributors on the thread. Perhaps you could check with them that they know they are welcome? Just to beef up your virtue points a bit more.

Beaten to it...

I have been shouted down and threatened for standing up for what I believe is right and for trying to stop genuine transmen and transwomen being used for some pervert's nutjob agenda.

The feminism section on mumsnet (where I have lurked for some time silently nodding) is the only place where I feel I can speak openly about my own concerns.

I would personally encourage every transman and transwoman who are uncomfortable with the insanity displayed on social media and by our politicians to thoroughly read, post and if they wish to, to debate here.

If @Reiltin really wants to help us she can start by actually listening to us.

Bloody hell, every time we get an actual transwoman on this thread I want to hug them. Pidgeon, Curry, thank you.

(And I promise not to come and hug you without your actual consent. Because I'm a nasty transphobic TERF normal boundary-respecting person.)

ShotsFired Can't shut up now I've stopped staying quiet

”I would like all the trans people who use and need Mumsnet to know that they are welcome here“ but that I will not actually engage with those who are here on the subject, I much prefer my virtue signalling to continue unabated
#nodebate

"Listen to trans women! No, not those trans women, obviously. Duh."

Gotta love the conveniently flexible commitment to being supportive there.

We aren't the right kind of people OrderMeACurry.

Apparently we can only get the support of some women if we attack all the other (articulate) women. Crazy.

Massive thanks to pigeon and curry for speaking up. There are many many trans identifying and detransitioned people who are critical of modern trans ideology and find it harmful and oppressive. They don't get listened to, they get shouted down. Research into detransition is barred by universities in case it draws negative attention. Detransitioned trans people are told to keep quiet so they don't harm the narrative. Transsexuals are told they are truscum and terfs (wtf)!
I have read countless accounts of gender critical trans people who speak against the current ideology but they are ignored by the Pom Pom wavers. Even two posters on this thread which people 'can't bear to read'