Trans friendly thread!

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Hi MNers!

Just first of all want to say this isn't going to be a goady thread or a place to slag anyone off of be abusive. Everyone can have an opinion and everyone's allowed to think that they like.

2nd, if your anti-trans or don't believe trans people should be alllwed to self ID or that they aren't the gender they say they are etc pls be respectful and don't post here. There are loads of threads about all kinds of discussions about being trans that you can post on and I think it would be fair if you didn't do that here. I Obviously can't prevent anyone but It would be nice for this space to be respected as trans friendly and not taken over for other reasons. If you don't agree just leave and post somewhere else instead of using this thread please!

That now said - I'm all for trans rights and I think trans men are men and transwomen are women. I don't know if many MNers feel the same but if you do say hi! Or if anyone is trans know that you have an ally in me this thread can be for a chat or support or (friendly!) discussion. Or maybe I'm the only one here lol and I can just talk to myself...

Prescribed to save a trans child's life who is suicidal at the prospect of puberty? Good idea.

SomeRandomBird would you advocate withholding food from an anorexic child who is suicidal at the thought of putting on weight?

It's like an invisibility cloak, isn't it, Pidgeon ?

I note the avoidance about the homophobia question.

Hi PidgeonPodge! Surely lumping all trans people together and declaring you have 'peak transed' is pretty unfriendly - I wouldn't want pals like that personally.

You do realise SomeRandomBird that teenagers often threaten suicide when they are ill? Anorexics try to stave themselves to death - and we don't let them. Teenagers often seek inappropriate relationships with adults and threaten to kill themselves when we try to stop them. Parents and adults who care for teenagers often have to confront suicidal threats. Why is it that "trans" children are the only ones who we abandon to their mental health problems and let them to take drugs that will cause them long term harm. What kind of people are actually promoting this?

Yes it is HairyBallTheorem it's almost like when the word transsexual was replaced with 'transgender' that I disappeared.

Hmm what should I do with my new superpower of invisibility?

Fight crime?

Sneak into maternity wards for some obscure reason?

I know! I'll go around sabotaging TRA/MRA's access to the internet. That should be fun.

Oh the people on this board are exactly who I want to be friend with SomeRandomBird and they aren't the ones lumping me in to a indiscriminate group.

I know exactly who they are referring to when they say they have 'peak transed'. I know because I've 'peak-transed' as far as 'those' people go too.

SomeRandomBird

If you truly believe that there are swathes of children killing themselves at the prospect of puberty, and you might well do, considering the rhetoric, here is an actual fact for you.

2000 children a year are showing up at gender clinics. According to those very same gender clinics, one child in 10 years has committed suicide.

And whilst that is, of course, dreadful, it does not support the argument that children will kill themselves if they're not given puberty blockers.

Furthermore the Samaritans own guidelines stipulate that it is dangerous and irresponsible to talk about suicide in the way transactivists do. To use it as any kind of leverage. Or argument.

It becomes a self-fulfilling property, interwoven with social contagion. And is directly discouraged.

You might ask yourself why transactivists relentlessly go against this advice? It is consistently used by GIRES and Mermaids across all their publications. And why every transactivist online will bring it up immediately.

In terms of adults, threatening suicide is a well-known, highly documented abuse tactic.

Perhaps genuinely don't know this. But if you do, stop it. We see you.

Surely lumping all trans people together and declaring you have 'peak transed' is pretty unfriendly

Except if you read the thread you'd see plenty of people doing exactly the opposite to lumping together and starting that self ID would hurt many trans people.

Unfortunately suicide is one of the most common social contagions among teens. It is horrifying to see transgender advocates promoting it.

And just to recap the OP

Or if anyone is trans know that you have an ally in me grin this thread can be for a chat or support or (friendly!) discussion.

I haven't seen any 'chat, support, or friendly discussion' from the OP for any for the trans people or parents of trans children on here.

PidgeonPodge and Curry certainly aren't coming in for the OP's love.

The OP has abandoned them.

We see you, too. Crystal clear.

... as do the hundreds of lurkers.

The hyperbole is so over the top from appeasers. I’m a recovering anorexia, it is recognised correctly as body dysmorphia and a MH condition, I believe even now I’m enormously fat, and the calorie counting is part of my OCD, Anxiety and controlling something, while everything else is falling to bits. Why is anorexia rightly diagnosed and treated, whilst gender dysmorphia is treated with butchery and pills. Dysmorphia is a huge part of most children’s lives. Because they are children. Most grow out of it. Some don’t. At least give them to chance to grow out of it. You can’t just switch back you know.

Obviously the Transgirls lot are something else, a whole ticker tape parade of misogyny, cognitive dissonance and lunacy.

The GRC is fine. Cuts the serious out, from the transtrenders.

Said my piece. Going to watch questionable time.

datun

But curry and pidgeon aren't the 'right sort of transperson

C'mon get with the programme

Why, Thankyou @Faceicle And I don't think I even read tft.

Too scared to look at the Twitter links.

The majority of children with extreme distress due to gender dysphoria are girls. On puberty blockers many of those girls will grow up into women with major chronic health issues, chronic pain, who have been sterilised by those meds and will then have to face infertility, and no one knows what other side effects these untested meds may have. That future isn't a rosy one. This is gambling with children already struggling and in many cases living with Autism, mental health issues, a history of sexual abuse, crippling anxiety..... In 2018, is untested, lifelong consequence drugs the only thing we have to offer them?

You do realise the agenda that says yes is pushed by male born people who almost all transitioned in their late teens and adulthood, who do not have dysphoria themselves and never personally experienced the medical routes they are encouraging desperate parents to explore with children? How does this in any way seem ethical or responsible to you?

If you really want to hit the Mount Everest of trans, have a look through Zinnia Jones's blog. But not at work, because it's full of porn. Because that's what "women" do, you see, make videos of themselves with various alarmingly shaped dildos to demonstrate the depth of their ladyfeelings.

If anyone wants the background on the whole how the current group of SuperFurryAnimeTransAntiFaGirls came to be and how they relate to what most of us assumed "trans woman" meant 10+ years again the Tumblr blogger SnowflakeEspecial is a 40-something trans woman (the kind most of us thought that term was referring to until we encountered the modern TRAs) who's written a lot about this. Doesn't post any more, but the back catalogue makes interesting reading.

I was OK with sharing spaces with people like Snowflake. Zinnia not so much.

Also the way SomeRandomBird is ignoring Pigeon reminds me of when I watched a young TRA attempt to warn people off reading Snowflake's blog, but without actually typing out the name because apparently trans women who're not drinking the kool-aid are like Voldemort or something and the poor little animetransgirls are afraid to say their names lest they appear in a puff off smoke and introduce the rainbow knee high clad youth to the horrible concept known as "reality".

Made me want to send Snowflake a gift basket.

I seriously doubt lots of the TRA's, handmaidens and brocialists give a fuck about actual trans issues.
They've already turfed out and blocked a Transwoman from their Labour against Trans group.
You couldn't even make it up.

They've already turfed out and blocked a Transwoman from their Labour against Trans group.
You couldn't even make it up

Is there a link or another thread that explains this?

Is it this? I've heard this person's name but I'm not too familiar.

mobile.twitter.com/DebbieHayton/status/955417650309599233

This is going well.
Bird, you numpty, having provided residential care for at risk teens (including those with suicidal ideation) I can assure you that the responsible thing is not to sterilize them in their teens and leave them to the tender mercies of AGP transwomen.
Are you actually an adult?
Teens struggle with all sorts of shit. I have a non binary one with OCD. Her current compulsions are counting (as long as it is divisible by three) and not letting her feet touch the ground. It would be lovely to think you can treat a mental illness by agreeing with everything and encouraging it. But currently she hasn’t learned to fucking fly, so we’re a bit hooped.
I can’t see any problem with submitting to suicide threats. I mean, that always goes well in mental health terms.

I see op hasn’t been back and we TERF’s and TRUSCUM and anyone, who generally doesn’t adhere to the SJW TRA Antifa agenda (sorry if I missed anyone out, I’m learning fast) have hijacked her thread. In true mumsnet form. DFOD