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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans friendly thread!

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100lbtolose · 23/01/2018 14:43

Hi MNers!

Just first of all want to say this isn't going to be a goady thread or a place to slag anyone off of be abusive. Everyone can have an opinion and everyone's allowed to think that they like.

2nd, if your anti-trans or don't believe trans people should be alllwed to self ID or that they aren't the gender they say they are etc pls be respectful and don't post here. There are loads of threads about all kinds of discussions about being trans that you can post on and I think it would be fair if you didn't do that here. I Obviously can't prevent anyone but It would be nice for this space to be respected as trans friendly and not taken over for other reasons. If you don't agree just leave and post somewhere else instead of using this thread please!

That now said - I'm all for trans rights and I think trans men are men and transwomen are women. I don't know if many MNers feel the same but if you do say hi! Or if anyone is trans know that you have an ally in me Grin this thread can be for a chat or support or (friendly!) discussion. Or maybe I'm the only one here lol and I can just talk to myself...

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LangCleg · 25/01/2018 14:38

A few months back, I rubber necked a Twitter conversation that went on for days and days between a bunch of radfems and one of those strange porny people on the #transgirls hashtag. His pinned tweet was one of him... um... how to say without TMI... bouncing up and down on a sex toy with an erect penis. This bloke spent days and days arguing forcefully that he was as much of a woman as any of the radfems and about a gazillion of his mates agreed, using all the die in a fire TERF scum rhetoric.

Perhaps we could just peak trans the entire country by making them check the hashtag!

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2018 15:04

That hashtag definitely is DM fodder.

Datun · 25/01/2018 15:08

Battleax

"This man, for instance, is referring to cis scum. He's absolutely not referring to men. And his use of the word cis makes it quite clear he is referring to women who disagree with him. So all women."

"Is that a Brit in the picture Datun?"

To be honest, I don't know. I'm not political, but I get the impression we have imported this specific Antifa thing from America.

I may be wrong.

But, either way, it is welcomed with open arms.

What I do know is that particular photo/sentiment is very much part of the British TRA sentiment.

Using cis and terf has become a slur, a means of instantly dehumanising the recipient and making them immediately deserving of violence.

It's not only disingenuous to suggest it isn't, it's wholesale deceit.

terfisaslur.com/

Trans friendly thread!
Trans friendly thread!
Battleax · 25/01/2018 15:14

I was just wondering if Brits making threats or displaying threatening signs and body art should be systematically reported to the police.

I'm in the mood for some pushback.

I'll do a twitter trawl this evening and see what I can see, with the possibility of UK jurisdiction crimes in mind.

Datun · 25/01/2018 15:45

I would love to see some accountability.

Unfortunately, I have read literally dozens of narratives and stories from women who have tried to make men accountable for threats.

Which has been futile in the vast majority of cases. For a variety of reasons, not least of which is that people don't listen to women.

Social media is notoriously difficult to police. However, very many threats are left to stand, whilst misgendering someone is dealt with by banning.

From what I can gather, this seems to be largely down to a numbers game. So single reports are ignored, but mass reporting, however unjustified, is effective.

Aided and abetted by that magic word, transphobia. Which has no accepted definition.

Stating biology being transphobic, for instance.

You tell someone's employer or education authority that a person is being transphobic and it puts the fear of God into them.

Facebook policy, for instance, seems to rely on the quantity of reporting, rather than the content.

I have witnessed several Facebook groups being shut down. Groups which simply cut and paste what other TRAs were saying on Facebook in order to collate the threats!

I have zero doubt that there are groups of TRAs running to thousands, who do nothing but report. Or collectively piling on a small business. On the review pages or sending threatening messages to the people in charge.

It's truly dystopian.

Even the law can't really help in terms of self ID or the GRA.

A small business could quite legally exclude transwomen on the basis that they don't hold a GRC. But then being right counts for nothing when there are 500 one star reviews left on their website.

The Internet is a gift to these violent misogynists.

PidgeonPodge · 25/01/2018 18:00

Oh dear God...I can never un-see that.

I don't know whether to despair or laugh at the ridiculousness of it all.

'That' (#transgirls) is disgusting. Are they trying to say that is what transwomen are, or what women are/should be like.

And dipshits like the op are lumping all of these sexual perverts and misogynistic thugs with me and others like me, claiming we all want the same things. Lovely.

CAAKE · 25/01/2018 18:57

That's exactly it Pidgeon. We all know that there are lovely transgender people out there who are not like the vocal and aggressive TAs and #transgirls Thanks

sexnotgender · 25/01/2018 19:07

#transgirls coming to a toilet near you!

Utterly incomprehensible that anyone can think letting people like that have unfettered access to women’s space is a good idea.

Also incomprehensible that the OP has ignored the fantastic posts from Pidgeon, Curry & Swerfy. Hats off to the wonderful women and Transwomen who have contributed.

LangCleg · 25/01/2018 19:14

And dipshits like the op are lumping all of these sexual perverts and misogynistic thugs with me and others like me, claiming we all want the same things. Lovely.

This is the awful thing, and I'm sorry for it, Pidgeon.

And even worse that it is so-called progressives doing it.

Snowflakeonyoursleeve · 25/01/2018 20:17

Its one of the many things that makes me so angry Pigeon and one of the reasons I keep banging on about this stuff to anyone who will listen.

However anyone who reads any post by you or Curry or Tumble or Miranda is going to realise that disconnect for themselves in seconds. What makes me sad is that a young trans adult I know has been so bathed in the reddit world that they are now an even more vulnerable mix of extreme vulnerability, all the distress of dysphoria and their mental health struggles, and a whole lot of 24 hour political high drama that they parrot with no awareness of how it uses them or what damage it will do them.

SomeRandomBird · 25/01/2018 20:18

Not very friendly this trans friendly thread Confused

Always the same posters too. You think you would be exhausted slagging off your trans enemies all the time!

HairyBallTheorem · 25/01/2018 20:45

Oh FFS, can't you at least take the time to read the posts by the transwomen on this thread - Curry and Podge - saying that they don't support self-ID, and that it's making their lives harder?

Why do these people always come on, plop, then run, without doing anyone the courtesy of reading what's being said?

JuliannaBixby · 25/01/2018 20:50

If you'd read even one or two of the posts on this thread you'd realise how stupid your post is @SomeRandomBird

thebewilderness · 25/01/2018 20:53

That is what virtue signaling is all about. Slurping from the delicious chum bucket of umbrage and then sitting back and stroking ones ego for it.

Schlimbesserung · 25/01/2018 21:09

Slurping from the delicious chum bucket of umbrage and then sitting back and stroking ones ego for it.
Fantastic imagery there!

SomeRandomBird · 25/01/2018 21:23

Slurping from the delicious chum bucket of umbrage and then sitting back and stroking ones ego for it

  • is all I see the 'feminists' do on here!

Or else these threads are full of people saying they have 'peak transed' which just sounds like they have reached the height of their transgenderness. I would pick a more catchy insult.

HairyBallTheorem · 25/01/2018 21:25

Have you bothered to read Pidgeon's and Curry's posts yet? The ones where they talk about what being on the receiving end of genuine transphobia - i.e. actual real world punch/bottle in the face violence from men - feels like? And where they explain that women wanting to talk about the implications of self-ID legislation is nothing even approaching violence? You really should, you know. You might even "educate yourself" (TM trans activist handmaidens everywhere).

MiMi78 · 25/01/2018 21:36

What are your views on giving children puberty blockers? SomeRandomBird

MiMi78 · 25/01/2018 21:38

Or lesbians being told to suck 'ladydick'
Or transwomen being called 'truscum'?

SomeRandomBird · 25/01/2018 21:44

MiMi78 depends on the context. Given routinely to all children? Terrible idea. Prescribed to save a trans child's life who is suicidal at the prospect of puberty? Good idea.

HairyBallTheorem · 25/01/2018 21:48

No, a good idea would be to have decent mental health care available to children with gender dysphoria - mental health care which is now being ripped away under the tide of "agree to self-ID or you're an evil terf." There have been parents on here who have given heartbreaking accounts of how, once you turn down puberty blockers, all support is immediately removed. No talking therapy any more, because apparently that's like "gay conversion therapy" (despite the fact that an awful lot of the transing of teenagers by at least one minority group of parents looks exactly like gay conversion therapy - "don't want a gay daughter? Here, have a surgically sterilised son instead.")

RedToothBrush · 25/01/2018 21:51

Isnt that just even more when it eventually becomes apparent that the hormones mean they can't trans? Its more likely just kicking the pebble down the road, and never solving the problem. All the while promising something that might not be physically possible as a direct result of taking hormones too early.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 25/01/2018 21:53

Prescribed to save a trans child's life who is suicidal at the prospect of puberty?

If being suicidal at the idea of puberty isn't the very dictionary definition of mental health problems then I don't know what is.

PidgeonPodge · 25/01/2018 21:57

Waves at SomeRandomBird

Hello? HELLO?!

Nope, completely unable to see me. What a great friend to the apparently homogenous mass that is trans people.

titchy · 25/01/2018 21:59

Prescribed to save a trans child's life who is suicidal at the prospect of puberty?

Here's a thought - proper therapy to deal with whatever is causing such a severe reaction - thereby stopping them becoming a suicidal teen/young adult when they realise the implications of a lifetime of puberty blockers.