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Trans friendly thread!

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100lbtolose · 23/01/2018 14:43

Hi MNers!

Just first of all want to say this isn't going to be a goady thread or a place to slag anyone off of be abusive. Everyone can have an opinion and everyone's allowed to think that they like.

2nd, if your anti-trans or don't believe trans people should be alllwed to self ID or that they aren't the gender they say they are etc pls be respectful and don't post here. There are loads of threads about all kinds of discussions about being trans that you can post on and I think it would be fair if you didn't do that here. I Obviously can't prevent anyone but It would be nice for this space to be respected as trans friendly and not taken over for other reasons. If you don't agree just leave and post somewhere else instead of using this thread please!

That now said - I'm all for trans rights and I think trans men are men and transwomen are women. I don't know if many MNers feel the same but if you do say hi! Or if anyone is trans know that you have an ally in me Grin this thread can be for a chat or support or (friendly!) discussion. Or maybe I'm the only one here lol and I can just talk to myself...

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Glitched · 23/01/2018 20:55

Women generally don't have penises. Some women, a very small minority, are born that way and should not be ashamed of it or shamed for it but welcomed as women. I don't get the vitriol and dismissal of other women.

We could define women as people with ovaries and say any woman born without them isn't a real woman. That's awful.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2018 20:55

I think the OP has an important baked good to ice this evening.

OrderMeACurry · 23/01/2018 20:56

My sister has lost count of the number of times she has been accused of transphobia at university or just in general simply for disagreeing with trans ideology. She always tells people that she actually has a trans sibling and asks them if they would like to meet me but they always stop engaging with her after they realise this.

My own mother has been targeted and accused of transphobia by TRA's. Quite frankly those people can fuck right off. None of them were there when I was a teenager and she would cry herself to sleep. None of them were there when she stormed down to school to give them a piece of her mind when they failed to address bullying and harassment towards me from other students.

More importantly the OP wasn't there. None of the "you're all so transpohobic!" posters were there and none of them have a clue. So they can all shove their cries of transphobia and delusions that transwomen are women up their arse.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2018 20:58

Intersex people classed as women who have male genitalia are very rare exceptions. I presume that's who you're talking about? No other woman has a penis.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 23/01/2018 20:59

Sorry curry

It must have been incredibly hard for you when people went after your family

Having said that i bet your mum is a force to be reckoned with

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2018 21:00

She does sound it Flowers

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 23/01/2018 21:01

We could define women as people with ovaries and say any woman born without them isn't a real woman. That's awful.

Are you hoping we will? We won't. We're good with chromosomes thanks.

PidgeonPodge · 23/01/2018 21:01

Amen Curry!

I can tell you exactly who I've experienced hate from and been attacked by, men.

Not one woman has ever caused me pain or belittled me. And yet they are the ones these TRA bastards are attacking.

Transwomen like me (and looks like Curry too) are at peace with what we are (well as much as anyone with a significant mental torment like gender dysmorphia can be at peace)

We are not biological women.

I do not need a smear test. There are rape centres I can go to (unfortunately I had cause to find one) that do not require me to intrude on a space not meant for me.

I will not demand validation that requires other people to give up their rights for me.

I am a transwoman, and I am sick of twitter twats telling me what I should be doing and insisting I define myself as being in cahoots with men who by my definition, are not transwomen.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 23/01/2018 21:02

We could define women as people with ovaries and say any woman born without them isn't a real woman. That's awful.

That would be a fairly stupid thing to do

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 23/01/2018 21:03

Sorry pidgeon

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ArbitraryName · 23/01/2018 21:04

Curry: I’m really sorry for all the shit you and your family have been (and continue to go) through. If only those ‘allies’ actually cared about your opinions and experiences rather than their virtue signalling mantras.

NotAgainYoda · 23/01/2018 21:06

Bloody hell Pidgeon. I am so sorry.

ArbitraryName · 23/01/2018 21:08

And you too pidgeon.

It must be so frustrating to have supposed ‘activists’ and ‘allies’ determined to gaslight you. There’s enough shit in the world without that.

KillDora · 23/01/2018 21:08

If you were to ask my family they would tell you that Curry is a she, she's a woman and that's how we see her. However if you were to actually engage with them more deeply they would admit that I am not female and never will be but presenting this way helps me feel better and helps with my gender dysphoria so they are happy with that

Again Curry has said it far better than I can.

I just get the rage when I see things like this and can't think straight. Idiots virtue signalling for the benefit of a minority of misogynistic MRA/TRA's and making life harder for everyone who just wants to live in peace.

They don't realise that by making all these bizarre, hurtful and downright dangerous demands that they are actually taking away from anything we would actually want, like better mental health provision.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2018 21:08

Yes, I'm genuinely sorry for Curry, and Pidgeon and the poster whose trans family member is having anxiety attacks due to all this Flowers

MiMi78 · 23/01/2018 21:09

I've seen on Twitter, that a Transwoman has been kicked out of the 'Labour against Transphobia' group.
Presumably, for the mostly Male group to decide what is constituting transphobia across Social Media Confused

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2018 21:10

And I've seen what shit they get when they speak up too. From "cis" allies as well as transactivists.

Ereshkigal · 23/01/2018 21:10

Do you have a link Mimi?

UpstartCrow · 23/01/2018 21:13

For this bullying technique to work, the people being blanked have to give a shit about what the bully thinks of them. Its like the kid who runs the Wendy House in the playground. It only works if you care about being 'excluded'.

What am I being excluded from? What am I missing out on?

panjandrumpyjamas · 23/01/2018 21:13

Op I think i get what you are trying to achieve. A small space to discuss trans feminism right?

I get it but the problem is the more people look into where the trans movement is going the more credulous they become.

SophoclesTheFox · 23/01/2018 21:13

Can you report your thread title to MNHQ, OP? I think it needs amended to "trans friendly thread, no actual trans people need apply".

panjandrumpyjamas · 23/01/2018 21:14

haha incredulous

OrderMeACurry · 23/01/2018 21:15

I think it needs amended to "trans friendly thread, no actual trans people need apply"

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HairyBallTheorem · 23/01/2018 21:16

Flowers pidgeon so sorry to hear about what you've been through. I'm glad to hear there are specialist services for you to find help.

Schlimbesserung · 23/01/2018 21:17

After reading Pidgeon and Curry's very eloquent and dignified posts, I can see that I have nothing really relevant to add to the discussion. Their stories are both fascinating and heartbreaking. I just wanted to express my admiration for them for both travelling such a hard road and for doing so without being sanctimonious arseholes. You should learn from them, OP.