Labour Against Transphobia Facebook group

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Lily Madigan and Aisling Musson are asking for 'screenshots and evidence of transphobic behaviour' so they can make Labour 'a truly safe space for all members regardless of their gender identity or lack thereof.' In other words, doxxing people so they can be thrown out of the party for gender-critical views.

The group write-up is:

A group formed to oppose the rising tide of Transphobia in the UK Labour Party and to seek to make the Party a truly safe space for all members regardless of their gender identity or lack thereof.

PLEASE READ THE PINNED POST

If you have screenshots and evidence of transphobic behaviour please put them in the google drive folder rather than offloading them straight into the group as it may otherwise be overwhelming and trans members should have the option to not have to look at upsetting comments.

Do not add anyone unless you are sure that they:

1. Are a member of the Labour Party
2. Believe the basis of gender is self-definition
3. Think that transphobia is grounds for expulsion from the party
4. Respect the autonomy of trans people to direct the fight against transphobia (I.e will not take decisions against the will of trans people)

If you are a trans and/or non binary person and you would like to be added to the secret group (trans/nb people only) please message lily madigan or aisling musson and we will add you.

Rules:

• No advocacy for violence, threats of violence of other illegal acts (quite apart from the morality of it, please do not get this group shut down)
• This is a not a discourse group. If you do not agree that transphobia is bad, that the Labour party has it and that we should fight it, this is not a group for you.
• Be respectful. As far as possible, please always be friendly, respectful and comradely and treat others as you would wish to be treated.

-No members of other parties.

• TERF is not a slur.

For those posters who were named on the list, please pursue this. The ICO can assist if Labour sit on their hands and refuse to address it. If you complain they have to look at it, but the complaint has to come from the Data Subject.

If I have to abide by DP regs in work then I don't see how some dungarees and a shit Snapchat filter gets LM an exception.

Can anybody who is able to message Jennifer James let her know that at least one of those names on the fb group list is wrong. 'Samuel'Johnson-Audini is actually a girl called Samantha.

I am amazed the daily mail have not been shouting re this story but the rooftops. I thought they got their news from mumsnet...?

It requires the police / ICO to recognise there is a problem or a civil legal case to create a media storm.

Just reading the ICO website and I note the first news story is this, which relates to a prosecution of a man who used social media and published sensitive data.

ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2018/01/man-prosecuted-and-police-force-given-undertaking-after-sensitive-data-leak-on-twitter/

If there is anyone here who is concerned about how Labour is handling their data, and isn't directly affected by SecretFacebookGroupGate, then yes you can do something.

If a member of the public is concerned about your information rights practices, we believe that you, as the organisation responsible, should deal with it.

We expect you to respond to any information rights concerns you receive, clarifying how you have processed the individual’s personal information in that case and explaining how you will put right anything that's gone wrong.

If a member of the public has engaged with you but is still dissatisfied, they may report their concern to the ICO.

ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/complaints/

In other words ANY Labour member can complain to the Labour party over data protection concerns they might have arising out of this. I would suggest that the line to take is around the security and storage of information.

If the Labour party do not give you an answer you are happy with, you then have the right to complain to the ICO. If Labour do fuck all and the ICO got a number of similar complaints, then I'd have thought they would be duty bound to investigate.

I wasn’t in the list as I’ve donated anonymously to date. I am a Labour Party member though, and did check the google spreadsheet in case I’d been doxxed (insider at gofundme for example) - so happy to say I witnessed/saw it.

Does anyone have screenshots of the original names? I donated in my own name to the go fund me so I imagine I'm on the list but didn't see it.

Yes. How can I see if I'm on the list?

Not at home at the moment but will check my computer when I get back and see if it cached the page.

If anyone wants to see the list I have a screengrab of the original

As I'm intending to pursue this any advice/further evidence would be most welcome :)

Seeing as you can't if it is deleted, it gives everyone who is a) a labour party member b) donated to the AWS fund very good reason to be concerned about their data, and therefore complain to Labour (and the ICO if they do not answer you to your satisfaction).

Repeat you do not have to be on the spreadsheet to do something about this.

If you feel that your complaint puts you at risk, because you have sufficient concern there has been breaches at Labour that you feel have constituted the harassment of other members, I would suggest that going direct to the ICO might also be appropriate in those circumstances....

Has someone sent it to Janice Turner (The Times)? She may publish this story?

RedToothBrush even if I posted anonymously?

Theres a new name in the google drive folders.

drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZPe1HxoOnR6GP3_gUxU-6Rxdz5cp7Ao1

What I find so utterly deranged is that their ‘evidence’ is literally just women saying ‘hey we need to talk about this’
It’s total madness, no one is calling to ban trans people they are literally just saying can we have a discussion before the law is changed please.
It’s such a manipulative thing to do, that the appearance of having committed a crime is just as powerful as if you have. That all they have to do is frame you in a particular way and that doesn’t have to corralate with reality at all.

I think it speaks volumes that most of these people who are shouting transphobe have no idea what’s going on. Not one person is listening to women. Does Lily even know why we’re upset?

We had a trans person come on the thread yesterday and when they actually listened to wat was going on they were horrified, they’re even going to write to their mp.
They have no idea what’s happening with self id.

Possibly yes. Even if anonymous. The fact you did so anonymously showed you were originally concerned enough to donate anonymously. If they are actively trying to track down who people are and match them up, with Labour Party members your concern about the need to donate anonymously has some merit.

I'd argue you don't know the lengths that they will go to, to try and work out who you are. You now have reason to believe that data breeches ARE going on, that make it even MORE necessary for you to hide your identity and try and protect your privacy (which you should already have).

Therefore, what steps are the Labour Party taking to ensure that you are safe and that any data about you isn't being used in this attempt to try and match your donation up with your membership.

The point is that its not just your name that can be used as a tool to cross match. Other data can be used to try and work out who you are. That's why the misuse of any data is a problem, because you don't know HOW data is being misused.

The responsibility lies with Labour to reassure you and provide you will information about who has access to that information, how secure it is, and for what purposes it is to be used for. If you can see a breech, then they need to admit the breech and do something about it, and tell you how they have resolved the problem in order that you can trust that your data is indeed safe.

You are not alone! My gender critical tweets have been sent to my employer and local CLP, apparently I am on some sort of list that has been compiled. Well bullies don’t win and I intend to shout louder than ever before!

Lily has lawyers, but cannot afford to eat? I remember a few weeks back them saying they were living on noodles, and they had a gofundme set up for this reason This is like a fucking car crash, I don't want to look away. I kind of hope this does go to court..but its realistically not going to. He thinks he can threaten and deny his way out of anything

My gender critical tweets have been sent to my employer

That is horrific!

How the fuck do they get away with that.

Vicxy
One of the great things about mumsnet is it teaches you how to spot a narcissistic abuser from a mile off. This it LTB 101.
The next step will threats for them to harm themselves.

Yes Lily was complaining about the cost of the UCAS application and was heavily hinting. I take it LM has dropped out of the fashion course?

Must think that lawyers can't wait to do pro bono work victimising women

Ladies I have some journalists involved. I can’t get hold of Janice, but people are contacting me. This is going public.

Lily has lawyers, but cannot afford to eat?

Lily assumes that the world is full of pro bono (or pro boner in pisacake's magnificent coinage) lawyers who will fall over themselves to work for the most persecuted teenage 20 year old girl in the UK™.

Well done Hammer. The whole thing is scandalous