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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour Against Transphobia Facebook group

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NotTerfNorCis · 19/01/2018 17:40

Lily Madigan and Aisling Musson are asking for 'screenshots and evidence of transphobic behaviour' so they can make Labour 'a truly safe space for all members regardless of their gender identity or lack thereof.' In other words, doxxing people so they can be thrown out of the party for gender-critical views.

The group write-up is:

A group formed to oppose the rising tide of Transphobia in the UK Labour Party and to seek to make the Party a truly safe space for all members regardless of their gender identity or lack thereof.

PLEASE READ THE PINNED POST

If you have screenshots and evidence of transphobic behaviour please put them in the google drive folder rather than offloading them straight into the group as it may otherwise be overwhelming and trans members should have the option to not have to look at upsetting comments.

Do not add anyone unless you are sure that they:

  1. Are a member of the Labour Party
  2. Believe the basis of gender is self-definition
  3. Think that transphobia is grounds for expulsion from the party
  4. Respect the autonomy of trans people to direct the fight against transphobia (I.e will not take decisions against the will of trans people)

If you are a trans and/or non binary person and you would like to be added to the secret group (trans/nb people only) please message lily madigan or aisling musson and we will add you.

Rules:

  • No advocacy for violence, threats of violence of other illegal acts (quite apart from the morality of it, please do not get this group shut down)
  • This is a not a discourse group. If you do not agree that transphobia is bad, that the Labour party has it and that we should fight it, this is not a group for you.
  • Be respectful. As far as possible, please always be friendly, respectful and comradely and treat others as you would wish to be treated.
-No members of other parties.
  • TERF is not a slur.
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catgirl1976 · 19/01/2018 21:23

I've made a formal complaint to the Labour Party as well

thecompletenonsequitur · 19/01/2018 22:01

pretzel Also - can I self identify as a member of the labour party.

You can identify as transcorbyn and be the leader. (Stolen from somewhere on Twitter earlier today).

I wish I was a transwoman. So I could stand up to pee. (Also stolen . . .)

AngryAttackKittens · 19/01/2018 22:10

Funny that no women's group I've ever been in has ever needed to have an official "don't threaten people with violence" rule. Almost as if there was something about trans women that's different from those other, "cis" women.

DamsonGin · 19/01/2018 22:20

I'd have a pint with you, Moth.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 19/01/2018 23:04

Moth, you're not alone. Join us in the Bluestocking for a cheer up pint. I'm going over there now to get one in for you.

As Teardrop said on another thread, and I paraphrase, ....there are plenty of us behind the scenes, raging quietly.

And doing 'other stuff' to raise awareness. taps nose sagely

frickfo · 20/01/2018 09:45

Great idea.

Vicxy · 20/01/2018 16:57

Why don’t some gender critical Labour Women set up a secret group to record all the misogynistic and homophobic language used by trans activist Labour members.

Because misogyny is all fine and dandy. And homophobia is fine as long as the homophobic person is trans, of course. So it would be pointless.

NannyOggsKnickers · 20/01/2018 22:17

Ah, the double standards. As long as you’re being bigoted to women it’s ok.

I could not be more disgusted by what is going on at the moment.

Who knew there was this much impotent male raged all bottled up.

cafeaulaitpourvous · 20/01/2018 22:27

I see LM managed a couple of hours downtime from twitter....

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/01/2018 13:34

Spreadsheet here (Labour against Transphobia Case Files):

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18hWxUUO1uhULe6Hs4eCitVF_w4x91m-fNa-zr2_bo2E/htmlview

"Evidence" here: drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1ZPe1HxoOnR6GP3_gUxU-6Rxdz5cp7Ao1?usp=sharing

Bearsinmotion · 21/01/2018 13:49

That caselist is nuts. “Constantly on about autogynephilia”?! Have they “won” when everyone on that list has resigned?

Deadlylampshade · 21/01/2018 14:07

Woah is ‘following a lot of radfems’ a crime now?

Deadlylampshade · 21/01/2018 14:09

Apparently asking if someone is accusing them of transphobia and saying you want a reasonable debate is now not allowed either.

Deadlylampshade · 21/01/2018 14:12

Oh my god that’s actually really frightening. Saying you think sex and gender are different things can get you on the list

Deadlylampshade · 21/01/2018 14:13

Also what exactly has Lily Madigan done for women in her role of women’s officer except try and get women thrown out of the party

Jigglytuff · 21/01/2018 14:14

Saw this on Twitter:

Since being elected women's officer, Liam Madigan has posted:
842 tweets about transwomen
934 about how "fabulous" he is
13 tweets about how he is trying to get pregnant
0 tweets about women

BeyondWW · 21/01/2018 14:21

Actual role of women's officer is to get local women in to the party.
By campaigning for the removal of women nationwide, LM is literally the anti-women's officer.
So LM will finish LM's role with say 90% of the women LM's role started with.

Oh I wish I was doing LM's appraisal (do women's officers have appraisals!) Grin

NannyOggsKnickers · 21/01/2018 14:23

Has someone inside the party (newby here 😁) reported LM to compliance for their constant begging of money and misogyny? I cannot believ that Labour have investigates her at all. I am very worried about the effect this will have on the whole party. I can imagine that many of the grassroots voters will look on this foolishness favourably.

Vicxy · 21/01/2018 14:33

That 'evidence' of transphobia is not evidence at all. Its evidence that the members believe in biology, is any one realistically going to look at that and think the women have done anything wrong? If anything, it might bring whoever gets given the dossier to peak trans Grin

DailyWTFMoments · 21/01/2018 15:12

It's hard enough being a woman involved politics - threats, abuse, general misogyny (and that's just from members of your own party) - but doxxing, public shaming and campaigns to have women removed from the party by the very officers who have been selected to support and increase female membership is going to undo years of hard work and leave the political spectrum dominated by "men in grey suits".

misskelly · 21/01/2018 15:26

So if you don’t follow the new party line ‘transwomen are women’ you get put on a list. So McCarthyism has taken over Labour, are any male members being included in this witch hunt?

Vicxy · 21/01/2018 15:38

There does seem to be 3 males on the list, from what I can see. Of course, they may self identify as female Grin

This genuinely does seem like trying to get others ousted from the party for not following your religion.

DailyWTFMoments · 21/01/2018 15:42

Just a thought - as a Political Party Officer, LM is subject to the Labour Party's DPA Registration.

Disclosing names/Twitter IDs could be considered a breach that could be reported to the Data Commissioner.

Badweekjustgotworse · 21/01/2018 15:49

Shock how is this allowed? this is quite literally a witch hunt, throw them in the water and if they float they're a witch and burned at the stake, if they drown? oops our bad, never worry, they probably deserved it anyway.

TERF hunt, new and updated which hunt complete with online spreadsheets and twitter screen shots.

FFS

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/01/2018 15:59

Does anyone have any contacts to "leak" this to a sympathetic journalist? It's a stonker of a good story, and this stuff needs to be taken out of the bubble to be seen by "ordinary" folk.

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