LP Women's Officer trying to get women ejected from LP!

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Liam's first motion as women's officer is to get all women who point out he's a bloke (AKA "horrific transphobic abuse") expelled from the party. He's written this right after being rejected for the Jo Cox Programme.
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Lily Madigan
Yesterday at 12:58 ·
I’ve written this motion against transphobia in the Labour Party. It would be great if members could propose the motion at their CLPs. Hopefully, we can get tougher rules enforced at annual conference. Please share 🌹

Transphobic Abuse in the Labour Party
Proposer: Lily Madigan
Seconder: X
Originally proposed by Lily Madigan

This Constituency Labour Party is disappointed at the sheer scale of transphobic abuse that is rampant among the ranks of the Labour Party, in particular from elected officers. Recently, we’ve seen an onslaught of transphobic abuse from members through social media, largely against trans members including young trans women. For a party that continues to fight for a just society, it is unthinkable that we allow any abusive behaviour in our ranks, in our elected officers, and government officials. As such, transphobic abuse should not be tolerated from Labour Party members.

This Constituency Labour Party notes that transgender and non-gender-conforming individuals are more likely to face abuse and this can lead to mental health problems, as shown by the Stonewall School Report 2017, which states that 45% of transgender pupils in UK schools have attempted to take their own life. This report shows that transgender individuals are at risk of abuse throughout their lives, and the Labour Party should not allow its members to partake in such abusive behaviour, in accordance with its aim of creating a just society.

This Constituency Labour Party believes that transphobic abuse should be seen as grounds for expulsion from the Labour Party, and that the Labour Party should commit to furthering transgender inclusivity in policy and the Labour Party itself. Therefore, if this motion is accepted, the Labour Party rules should be amended to make transphobic abuse grounds for expulsion, and that complaints regarding the behaviour of an elected officer of a Constituency Labour Party should be accepted from any individual, and should be sent to the Regional Labour Party to be dealt with.

We further believe that trans men are men, and trans women are women and as such should have equal access with cis counterparts to stand for, and participate with, all party programmes and roles within the Party and in government. This includes but is not restricted to allowing trans women equal consideration for all-women shortlists, officer elections and programmes aiding women such as the Jo Cox women in leadership programme."

He's clearly throwing a tantrum about being denied the Jo Cox and about this legal challenge to Labour:

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ReefAndRiz posted

"Why would labour voters who discover this trans woman wants to expel women from the party vote labour in that area? I guess that CLP don't want to win any seats."

Seriously?

Labour is riven with identity politics to the core. In vast swathes of the country, including where I live, if you put a red 🌹 on a monkey it would still be elected.
At this moment in time if you don't buy into TG rights you are outside the bubble.

Unfortunately I don't see that changing.

At this moment in time if you don't buy into TG rights you are outside the bubble.
Unfortunately I don't see that changing.

I see it changing.

Mumsnet is a microcosm of the wider world over this issue.

The only reason more people than ever before are questioning the ideology on here, is because debate has been allowed to flourish.

In the wider world, it has been shut down.

And that is changing. Slowly, but inexorably.

People don't yet understand the full implications. They're not aware of AGP. They're not aware of how they can be forced. And they are not aware that they cannot make a distinction between a 6 foot four evidently pervy man and a petite effeminate man.

But the can is now open, and worms are everywhere.

What other 19 year old would believe themselves to be so important that they were the best person to produce a motion that the entire Labour Party should follow, and not be immediately dismissed if they attempted to do so? Madigan's narcissism is bad enough in itself without a major political party encouraging it.

I see it changing

15 months ago I was desperately googling 'critical of trans' and 'transwomen are misogynists' and the like. I'd been doing so for ages, but had only found blog sites and some of these I thought were a bit nasty and not really the kinds places I aligned to. I felt very alone. One of my searches threw up MN. I came here and there was a full on war with a minority of transcritical posters and a lot of antagonism. I joined and threw my oar in. From here I was directed to a range of support sites as well. In the 15 months I have been here when I tear myself away from The Litter Tray I have seen massive changes, both on MN and in sites that have been linked. I've also seen change in the mainstream press, with The Times, in particular, coming out of the closet and declaring the emperor to be nekkid. So I think there has been a shift. I'm not sure it is a big enough one to stop change in Scotland though and this is crucial right now because it will be a litmus test.

I think that the media is only now starting to realize that most of the public aren't on board with trans activism, and the political class isn't there yet. The thing to remember is that until recently most people assumed that "trans woman" meant "effeminate gay man who's had his penis removed". Most people feel sympathy towards that kind of trans woman, and that's been informing the public response to questions about toilets etc. Now people are starting to notice how unreasonable and demanding a lot of trans activists are, and how few of them fit the femmey gay boy stereotype. Once the public gets its collective head around AGP it's game over, no parent in their right mind is going to agree to AGPs being allowed to share spaces involving nudity with their daughter.

I'm worried about how many women and girls will be hurt in the gap between where we are now and the public realizing what allowing people to self-identify actually means, and how much legal damage will be done that MRAs and other groups hostile to feminism can then exploit. I also fear the long term damage to feminism and the gay rights movement - this has the potential to decimate both in that people will be too busy fighting each other and then trying to repair the damage done by that process to get much else done for a while, and feminism at least is already in a position where we're not so much making new progress as holding the line against the full on backlash that we're in the middle of.

Once the public gets its collective head around AGP it's game over, no parent in their right mind is going to agree to AGPs being allowed to share spaces involving nudity with their daughter

Just butting in as usual to say that it's not just AGP. There are also many (likely younger) TRAs out there who are covert misogynists and who don't have any intention of even bothering to pretend to dress as women, let alone get their dicks cut off. These are the antifa mob and a few seemed to be present at speakers' corner. They are also the lot who call 'truscum' at transexual women who have had the op.

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Agree with all that.

Once the liberal-leaning portion of the public that currently wants to be kind to suffering people gets its head around AGP, it will indeed be game over.

But the fallout will be awful. Women will have to work all over again to regain rights and spaces lost, there will be a generation of unnecessarily medicated young adults with all sorts of ongoing problems, and there will be a huge backlash against both transsexuals and all people exhibiting GNC expression. Once public trust has been lost, it takes a long time to build back up.

I'm not sure the public will care about the ones who're just MRAs as long as they stick to shouting at uppity women, given the general track record on men bullying women and the public response to it. Demanding access to spaces where women are naked isn't going to go well for them if they try it though, if only because parents will be worried about their daughters. They're useful in peak transing the part of the public not composed of rabid misogynists, but if you look at the comments on the Speakers Corner thing other misogynists know exactly what they're up to and are all for it.

They used to call themselves baeddels, if anyone is interested in the Tumblr evolution of that group. Lots of photos of them posing with guns and knives and threatening to kill TERFs. It was a dude like that who led the attempt to shut down the women's library in Vancouver, failed musician who likes to shout about being a woman despite having done nothing at all to transition who was tearing posters off the wall and screaming in the faces of the women who were there for the library opening.

The backlash is already starting.

Along with sensible gender critical below the line comments, you are getting the blind 'gender reinforcement' commentary.

Still anti men identifying as women, but for all the wrong reasons.

'Women are meant to be...' sort of stuff.

One of my best friends from high school was an early example of the current trend of traumatized young lesbians transitioning in an attempt to escape male violence, and I think that group along with the young gay men who're being put on the road to castration because they wanted to dress up as Elsa from Frozen when they were 4 are going to end up being the biggest victims of this whole thing. How will any of us explain to future generations how that was allowed to happen?

They used to call themselves baeddels, if anyone is interested in the Tumblr evolution of that group. Lots of photos of them posing with guns and knives and threatening to kill TERFs

I remember them! One of the first places I went that was sympathetic to cender critical POVs was the blog of a transwoman called 'snowflake especial'. She provided a fantastic critique of the TRAs and used to mention this group. I think she got tired of the abuse though and shut her blog down. I also remember some of the images - there was one with a rather nasty punkish looking young chap with 'kill' and terf' written on his knuckles from memory.

I remember Snowflake too, hope things are going well and it was just a case of getting tired of all the abuse. That was an example of a person I'd happily go out for a drink with, and what I'd assumed most trans women were like until I started paying more attention to what was happening.

Along with sensible gender critical below the line comments, you are getting the blind 'gender reinforcement' commentary

Oh yes - this is usually accompanied by comments to the effect that wimmin started all this with their nasty feminism and trying to be men and if only we'd go back to be humble subservient cocksuckers then all would be solved.

Does anyone here think that Lily actually wrote that motion/proposition all by themself?
Lily is being ‘helped’ , I’d put good money on it.

With the younger student crowd it’s a pieer grab, a fuck you at society snd the older generation. They want to dismantle society as we know it. Not a huge fan of Jordan Peterson but he is really jnteresting on exactly this subject. He had a long interview with Cathy Newman the other night. It’s really worth watching.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54&feature=youtu.be

Power grab - that should be

With the younger student crowd it’s a pieer grab, a fuck you at society snd the older generation. They want to dismantle society as we know it

In my day that was a good thing :)

"Does anyone here think that Lily actually wrote that motion/proposition all by themself?"

No, Lily cannot string a sentence together on Twitter so someone else wrote that, clearly.

I did notice that on Twitter Lily had a photo of her calendar for the next couple of months, with the Jo Cox programme dates on it. The tweet was done before Lily found out that Lily had been rejected for that programme. Seems that Lily was ultra-confident of getting in.

I think that will be the biggest shock to people who are just bumbling along with the trans agenda because it's 'nice' - that the agenda does not end with achieving legal self ID, but begins . Its the thin end of a wedge and a much bigger agenda that will be much harder to say no to once this lunacy has been nodded through.

If that seems overblown, then please take a look at the Action for Trans Health Manifesto. The immediate release and pardon of all trans prisoners is just one small demand on the list, plus the disbanding of the police - TRAs have already held marches for that one.

twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/953655257451630593
The sheer volume of comments under the original tweet is interesting. (Some are offensive.)

Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that no one actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?

If that seems overblown, then please take a look at the Action for Trans Health Manifesto. The immediate release and pardon of all trans prisoners is just one small demand on the list, plus the disbanding of the police - TRAs have already held marches for that one

Yes, this is evidence that that group is fun by Antifa types.

As for mandating belief - people here should check out many current university policies. They are mostly of similar wording and all reduce identity to gender feels. Teaching staff are not allowed to speak otherwise.

I missed this. Was lily rejected from the jo cox programme?

Yes, Lily was rejected.

Sophie Cook (another man who identifies as a woman) was given a place on the programme.