LP Women's Officer trying to get women ejected from LP!

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Liam's first motion as women's officer is to get all women who point out he's a bloke (AKA "horrific transphobic abuse") expelled from the party. He's written this right after being rejected for the Jo Cox Programme.
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Lily Madigan
Yesterday at 12:58 ·
I’ve written this motion against transphobia in the Labour Party. It would be great if members could propose the motion at their CLPs. Hopefully, we can get tougher rules enforced at annual conference. Please share 🌹

Transphobic Abuse in the Labour Party
Proposer: Lily Madigan
Seconder: X
Originally proposed by Lily Madigan

This Constituency Labour Party is disappointed at the sheer scale of transphobic abuse that is rampant among the ranks of the Labour Party, in particular from elected officers. Recently, we’ve seen an onslaught of transphobic abuse from members through social media, largely against trans members including young trans women. For a party that continues to fight for a just society, it is unthinkable that we allow any abusive behaviour in our ranks, in our elected officers, and government officials. As such, transphobic abuse should not be tolerated from Labour Party members.

This Constituency Labour Party notes that transgender and non-gender-conforming individuals are more likely to face abuse and this can lead to mental health problems, as shown by the Stonewall School Report 2017, which states that 45% of transgender pupils in UK schools have attempted to take their own life. This report shows that transgender individuals are at risk of abuse throughout their lives, and the Labour Party should not allow its members to partake in such abusive behaviour, in accordance with its aim of creating a just society.

This Constituency Labour Party believes that transphobic abuse should be seen as grounds for expulsion from the Labour Party, and that the Labour Party should commit to furthering transgender inclusivity in policy and the Labour Party itself. Therefore, if this motion is accepted, the Labour Party rules should be amended to make transphobic abuse grounds for expulsion, and that complaints regarding the behaviour of an elected officer of a Constituency Labour Party should be accepted from any individual, and should be sent to the Regional Labour Party to be dealt with.

We further believe that trans men are men, and trans women are women and as such should have equal access with cis counterparts to stand for, and participate with, all party programmes and roles within the Party and in government. This includes but is not restricted to allowing trans women equal consideration for all-women shortlists, officer elections and programmes aiding women such as the Jo Cox women in leadership programme."

He's clearly throwing a tantrum about being denied the Jo Cox and about this legal challenge to Labour:

Post edited by MNHQ

lang

So true, so astute.

The trans quota on the Jo Cox Women in Leadership was filled by Sophie Cook, though.

Seems like in two years of the programme, they've never actually had all-women in the Women in Leadership programme. Anna Lees had a spot last year.

I have to feel that it reflects poorly on the program, unfortunately. Leadership is not about allowing someone else's issues to become your own issues. Kinda feels like the programme falls at the first hurdle to be honest.

To me, there needs to be a very clear outline of what transphobia really is. I doubt there's been much or any actual transphobia. If it's transphobia, then there's buckets of misogyny.

(I didn't read thread. 😳But at least we all think alike! )

Who was that Lang? I'd like to retweet! So bloody true.

The trans quota on the Jo Cox Women in Leadership was filled by Sophie Cook, though. Seems like in two years of the programme, they've never actually had all-women in the Women in Leadership programme. Anna Lees had a spot last year.

This is fascinating particularly when you consider how many TIMs there are compared to how many women ...

The words 'over represented' spring to mind.

Ekphrasis - don't want to link directly in case of pile ons. Try searching racy bear hold.

“Imagine a bleached-blonde working class girl turning up in a pink velour tracksuit and getting the reception middle-class biological male Lily Madigan received in Labour Party doing same.“

Yes it’s a new edict

Where did MN announce it?

After the he who must not be named and the dying wife threads.

Money was donated and the threads were moved to fundraising or similar despite many people calling troll and some being banned for it.

In the end, MNHQ decided just to ban fundraising (unless it goes directly to the charities I think).

Oh ta... I think there is some confusion on this thread because I was referring to this

*Oh and MN saying you can’t call LM he ....

Is that the reason for the deletion upthread? But women who disagree with Lily have to suck up being called cis, transphobes and terfs? Interesting*

But it makes more sense if it is a link that was deleted. I thought policy had changed on calling TIMs 'he'.

I know there are other Labour members here, what would you do if this was brought at a CLP meeting?

LM has 7,643 followers on Twitter but only follows 73. Doesn't even want to listen to those who find LM fabulous. Narcissistic much ?

I know there are other Labour members here, what would you do if this was brought at a CLP meeting?

I'd like to know that too. It seems at the moment the fear of being called "'phobic" has frightened people into keeping quiet - as of course is the intended effect.

This is fascinating particularly when you consider how many TIMs there are compared to how many women ...

The words 'over represented' spring to mind.

Ironically, it's exactly the same tendency for men to dominate that led to the need for women-only positions in the first place. The male socialisation doesn't go away when they put on a dress or a pink hoodie.

But it makes more sense if it is a link that was deleted. I thought policy had changed on calling TIMs 'he'.

I think you’re right - the OP refers to Lily as “he” and that hasn’t been deleted.

They gave a spot to someone who named himself after anal sex?

Nice.

How has LM got female on their passport?

I didn't think that was possible till post op?

I know there are other Labour members here, what would you do if this was brought at a CLP meeting?

It wouldn't happen at my CLP - the committee is openly saying that they hope this stuff doesn't make it to mainstream ears because that would undo all the gains made on the basis of anti-austerity/protecting public services since Corbyn's election.

But we are in a Tory seat, so it's a moot point. The real battles in the Labour Party are about the influx of pro-Corbyn new members wanting to have some influence over their largely anti-Corbyn MPs. This is one reason why all the anti-Corbyn MPs (eg Stella C) are capitulating over trans issues. They're hoping to diffuse any possible deselection moves by the new members.

That said, there is another template CLP motion knocking about somewhere, from a gender critical viewpoint. Might be on socfemnet? Hang on, let me see if I can find it... yep, here it is:

www.socfem.net/2017/10/model-motion

I suppose if this motion came up at my CLP, I'd counter it with the gender critical one and have the vote.

I think you’re right - the OP refers to Lily as “he” and that hasn’t been deleted

Oh good. Deletions of personal pronouns are usually a barometer of how MNHQ is sailing re the trans issue and things have certainly improved since I joined 15 months ago.

This Constituency Labour Party is disappointed at the sheer scale of transphobic abuse that is rampant among the ranks of the Labour Party, in particular from elected officers. Recently, we’ve seen an onslaught of transphobic abuse from members through social media...

Given their definition of "transphobia", this is encouraging!

I didn't think that was possible till post op?

Ridiculously you don't need a GRC. Just a "letter from a doctor".

Bambambini

MMHQ have posted to say you can’t call TIMs he. I will find a link. It was on the CBB India thread.

The motion is dishonest.

Starts off with a load of guff and inflammatory language about transphobia, presumably to get people riled up about the injustice of it.

Near the end, so that they hope nobody notices, they chuck in the "trans men are men, trans women are women" thing so that people who would vote for a crack down on transphobia don't actually realise that they are voting to erase biology.

And then, the real point of the motion - transwomen should be given unfettered access to women's roles within the party. They don't actually mention how transmen should be handed power, presumably because they don't care about these people.