LP Women's Officer trying to get women ejected from LP!

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Liam's first motion as women's officer is to get all women who point out he's a bloke (AKA "horrific transphobic abuse") expelled from the party. He's written this right after being rejected for the Jo Cox Programme.
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Lily Madigan
Yesterday at 12:58 ·
I’ve written this motion against transphobia in the Labour Party. It would be great if members could propose the motion at their CLPs. Hopefully, we can get tougher rules enforced at annual conference. Please share 🌹

Transphobic Abuse in the Labour Party
Proposer: Lily Madigan
Seconder: X
Originally proposed by Lily Madigan

This Constituency Labour Party is disappointed at the sheer scale of transphobic abuse that is rampant among the ranks of the Labour Party, in particular from elected officers. Recently, we’ve seen an onslaught of transphobic abuse from members through social media, largely against trans members including young trans women. For a party that continues to fight for a just society, it is unthinkable that we allow any abusive behaviour in our ranks, in our elected officers, and government officials. As such, transphobic abuse should not be tolerated from Labour Party members.

This Constituency Labour Party notes that transgender and non-gender-conforming individuals are more likely to face abuse and this can lead to mental health problems, as shown by the Stonewall School Report 2017, which states that 45% of transgender pupils in UK schools have attempted to take their own life. This report shows that transgender individuals are at risk of abuse throughout their lives, and the Labour Party should not allow its members to partake in such abusive behaviour, in accordance with its aim of creating a just society.

This Constituency Labour Party believes that transphobic abuse should be seen as grounds for expulsion from the Labour Party, and that the Labour Party should commit to furthering transgender inclusivity in policy and the Labour Party itself. Therefore, if this motion is accepted, the Labour Party rules should be amended to make transphobic abuse grounds for expulsion, and that complaints regarding the behaviour of an elected officer of a Constituency Labour Party should be accepted from any individual, and should be sent to the Regional Labour Party to be dealt with.

We further believe that trans men are men, and trans women are women and as such should have equal access with cis counterparts to stand for, and participate with, all party programmes and roles within the Party and in government. This includes but is not restricted to allowing trans women equal consideration for all-women shortlists, officer elections and programmes aiding women such as the Jo Cox women in leadership programme."

He's clearly throwing a tantrum about being denied the Jo Cox and about this legal challenge to Labour:

Post edited by MNHQ

I thought the whole CBB India thread was deleted?

thanks @langcleg, I'm in a Labour safe seat. There's a chance this will be talked about.

I don't see how MNHQ could possibly refuse to accept that Lily Madigan is a man, or that his correct pronoun is 'he'. It would be simply ignoring the fundamentals of human biology.

Has MNHQ banned 'cis' as well as 'he'? I will not call a man in a dress she

Perhaps the difference is that India has a GRC (I don’t know if this is true) and has official legal status as a women, where the wrong pronouns could be legally challenged.

From reading between the lines elsewhere on blogs and twitter, I suspect MNHQ are coming under a fair bit of pressure from trans activists to clamp down on what they see as a hive of transphobia.

So, some reported posts are being zapped but discussions can stand...

For a while there was a ‘misgendering’ war being waged, and MNHQ were very deletey. I’m not sure if they ever officially changed their policy or whether they implemented it more gently, eg so that if ‘misgendering’ was AT someone on thread it was considered a PA (as I think was calling someone cis if they’d asked not to be) and so would be deleted but if it was about a famous person not on the thread they’d let it go.

IIRC that was one of the reasons behind the Spartacus threads - quite a few posters (myself included) saying that while we would, out of politeness, use "she" for transwomen we knew who were just quietly getting on with life, it would be a cold day in hell before we'd use "she" to refer to convicted rapists like Davina Ayrton. Davina Ayrton is a predatory, evil man in a dress and nothing about his self identification is ever going to change the fact that he is a man who has used his penis to rape a teenage girl.

Legally LM is a man though? He doesn't have a GRC, or have I missed something? GRA hasn't happened yet, so why are posts being deleted?
Just because the Labour Party have showed their true colours as a bunch of right-on mysoginists doesn't mean that MN should follow suit.

I suspect MNHQ are coming under a fair bit of pressure from trans activists to clamp down on what they see as a hive of transphobia

If that's true, it's very sad. MN should be the one place where women should be able to express their concerns about TRAs without being censored.

Legally LM is a man though? He doesn't have a GRC, or have I missed something? GRA hasn't happened yet, so why are posts being deleted

We are not sure they are being deleted. It seems there was a misunderstanding and a post could have been edited /deleted because it contained a link to gofundme, but an entire thread on India Willoughby could also have been deleted, but for reasons other than misgendering alone.

This is the MNHQ message on the CBB thread. I think it's utterly unacceptable. Especially on a site for women who are using language truthfully. As someone else as said, it would be misgendering to call a TIM she since they are actually not a she. But in this brave new world, women's truth means nothing, even to other women.

Hi folks. Glad to see you're all enjoying CBB again this year.

We just wanted to pop by with a bit of a reminder about our rules, as we've had lots of reports about the posts about India Willoughby on this thread.

As you probably know, we're happy to allow the debate about issues relating to transgender to take place on Mumsnet, but as with any debate we ask folks to stick within our Talk Guidelines. This means that we will delete posts that we feel are inflammatory, provocative, amount to goady fuckery or are just plain uncivil or unkind.

We appreciate that there are discussions to be had about biology and the nature of what it is to be a woman, and to that end we allow posts which align with scientific orthodoxy and which that are in the spirit of genuine, civil debate. But we do think that repeatedly referring to someone, in passing, by a pronoun they've rejected is both goady and inflammatory. We're not going to go back now and delete each instance but we wanted to give fair warning - please do bear this in mind from now on.
Cheers all
MNHQ"

Thanks for posting that! There were some pretty awful posts on that thread and I suspected it would be deleted, but the pronoun issue was minor really in comparison.

Has anyone checked out her awe-inspiringly narcissistic webpage: lilymadigan.org/media/

The Wikipedia page is obviously written by the narc herself too: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Madigan

It's just male entitlement at its extreme.

Is anyone up for a secret Facebook group where we can discuss this shit without MNHQ's censorship?

The wikipedia page is hilarious in its awfulness. "But that's enough about me, let me write about me in the third person for a while instead..."

This makes me so glad I left the Labour Party. But also deeply sad- because is this what it's reduced to? A spoilt boy demanding that reality bends to his demands, and we all have to go along with it?

It's the Emperor's New Clothes- except here the small boy would be called a transphobic TERF and probably stoned to death.

I like how LM's coy hand-under-chin photograph neatly hides LM's Adam's Apple.

Also, the wikipedia page needs to be updated to reflect that LM's application for the Jo Cox leadership scheme was rejected.

That webpage!

“She is spectacularly talented”

I would be deeply embarrassed to post such a boastful and self-aggrandising claim with no trace of self-irony.

And “talented” at what, exactly?

For a modern young person, Lils takes a poor selfie.

LM needs to update the section in the web site about why LM is so ideal for the Jo Cox leadership scheme, too.

“She is spectacularly talented”

You forgot "humble and compassionate"!

Has Liam actually used his role as woman's officer to do anything for actual women? Like, at all? I know he hasn't been in the role long, but aside from tweeting (almost exclusively about trans issues) and this ridiculous motion (again, trans focused) what does he actually do all day to justify his salary?

I'm just flabbergasted. He clearly has NO interest in women's issues at all. How can the women that he works with not see that?!

Well was the brief discussion about refuges but someone started a petition befire LM did and it was only after someone pointed out that there were no apparent mentions of women.

Some one also contacted them to see what she could get involved in except LM was rude and dismissive and blocked her

And LM also claimed he'd led a campaign on the surestart centres although never answered the women (same one mentioned above) when she said that shed been to the protests etc whenever seen him or been in the mailing list

So jury out

And never seen him