Wrong side of history

[LyraPotter]

Here is something I know to be true: those campaigning against trans rights will fail. Your money will be raised and spent and wasted. Your legal challenges will not succeed. Your relentless attempts to do injustice will fail. You are on the wrong side of history. Your children will grow up knowing better than you. You cannot stop progress. Your efforts are in vain.

And every time I'm proven right - every time a court judgment goes against you and every time a law protecting trans men and women is passed and every time equality is further enshrined in the laws of this country I am going to return to this thread for the pure and petty purpose of telling you I TOLD YOU SO.

Really. Cos encouraging kids to mutilate themselves always looks great in hindsight.

Do you know, I am really pissed off. We've had the vote for less than 100 years and every right we've had is going. I'm not having it.

Guess the fundraising touched a nerve?

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That’s nice for you dear. In the meantime I will continue fighting against sterilising gay kids and forcing rape victims to share intimate space with men.

Someone is rattled

Is this supposed to be a proclamation or something? It's hardly I have a dream or "this is not the end, this is not even the beginning of the end". I rate your speech 1 out of 5 for an attempt at portentous but lacking in substance and a silly ending.

Uh-huh.

However, well done for remembering to mention trans men, Lyra.

Please would you campaign for a greater voice for trans men, whenever trans rights are mentioned? I suspect that those with female bodies and genuine dysmorphia are caught between a rock and a hard place.

This is affecting ever-growing numbers of our younger friends, poor sods.

I think there is some shock at the level of fundraising and also the high number of individual donors. They can no longer dismiss anyone with concerns as just a small minority on twitter.

Bless

"Women, shut up, sit down, give way."

That'll work

Can't better Lily Maynard:
The one thing that unifies woman- infertile women, post-menopausal women, menstruating women, breast-feeding women, lesbian women, het women, young women, old women, feminine women, GNC women – even women who think they are men -is our biological experience of being female-bodied. THAT is what a woman is and that is what the word woman describes. Females bleed. They give birth. They feed their young. Not every woman experiences these things but when it comes down to it, we all know what a woman is. We all came out of one.

History will judge those who medically mutilated young children, who gaslighted a generation of adolescents into believing that they could assuage the effects of puberty by 'changing their sex' and who have so little respect for women that they trample all over the rights of vulnerable women and children in order to validate their own personal decisions.

@DodoPatrol Good point. I wish someone would focus on why there are so many teenage girls transitioning and what society says about being a woman that makes them so afraid.

Instead they focus on men who stamp their feet and demand access to women's toilets, change rooms, refuges and shortlists.

stitch that's exactly it. They have to admit that it's not a tiny gang of awful women who hate them.its a large group of women and sone men who have no appetite for hate, they simply want to have a real discussion about actual implications
Their rhetoric is at risk and their bubble has been breached.

I will, however, be morally, logically and scientifically right, even if the patriarchy chooses not to acknowledge it, so, you know, .

I don't actually disagree with a lot of what you say here, Lyra.

Women have always been on the wrong side of history. Within the span of human civilisations across the world, the window of time when women have had any substantial rights or autonomy is very, very small. For most of recorded history, women have been suppressed rather than respected by the law.

I agree that our extinguishment as a legally definable category of persons is very likely, and therefore that our right to organise and assemble without men, to define ourselves without reference to them, to have resources and spaces to ourselves, to even speak about our lives and bodies, could easily be wiped out. In 1989, 40 per cent of doctors in Afghanistan were women. By 1999, women in that country were not even permitted to access medical treatment, let alone work as doctors, and the Taliban were passing laws that forbad them from making noise with their feet while they walked. That's how quickly things can change for women. (And here's the thing: none of them could escape this by 'identifying' as something else.)

Yes, women's rights could easily be extinguished in the UK and other Western countries - they remain fragile and contingent, as they have been everywhere throughout human history.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/transgender-rights-the-elimination-of-the-human-rights-of-women/

Oh and might I suggest you'd be better placed erm donating to food banks, volunteering and erm other charitable pursuits as has been suggested to us rather than narking at us on MN in that new facet of your ideology #multitaskingisamyth #can'tsupportmorethanonecause.

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Lyra Could you please tell me exactly:

a) What Trans Rights you are fighting for?
b) What equality and with whom are you seeking it?
c) What rights do Trans people not already have?

Being on “the right side of history” doesn’t reflect any moral superiority - in fact quite often it means the opposite.

I love "wrong side of history". Like "transwomen are women" it makes me think of sheep bleating "four legs bad, two legs good".

Whatever you do, you mustn't think critically! You'll do yourself a mischief!

I don't know why people are agreeing about the wrong side of history. Stories coming out everyday like the girl with a fear of men (irrational or not) ending up in a psychiatric ward with a burly man. Guy with a beard turning up for another girls intimate operation when she had specified a female nurse. Rapists in women's prison etc etc..

Everyday more and more people are clicking on to this absurdity. Keep sharing online. Keep speaking to friends and family.

Unfortunately the ultimate peak trans will probably come when folk are suing due to being pumped full of drugs as children then mutilated as adults. How many lives will be wrecked by then though?

I can identify as a bird all I like but we all know what would happen if I chucked myself off my roof. I would soon find out I wasn't a bird. They would be scrapping my body off my yard.

Keep on trucking with your eye on the prize