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ITV Transformation Street

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RedToothBrush · 11/01/2018 17:29

On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

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48harv · 19/01/2018 14:44

Dear “fantastic miss foxy” I have read your comments and agree with many of your sentiments, I lost out on my mother doing things that mothers and daughters do , I would have swapped half of my life span to have had a womb and be able to give birth to my child, i agree bar having a modified virgina my other internal organs are male, if I die under a criminals hands my bones if discovered would read male, purely by my pelvic bone and size of my scull, so yes I cannot be a woman , but and there has to be a but, in my minds eye I am as close to being a woman as I can be and outwardly do not afford a second glance from people I meet, who knows in the future people like me will be offered a womb as an operation, but as for my mind and my interpretation of how I stand in the community I live in I am female because most of the general public only accept male or female genders

48harv · 19/01/2018 14:48

Also I didn’t say trans people are the most vulnerable people within the general population but I did say they are more likely to be murdered in relation to other minority groups, I lived in my early life always aware I could be killed for my life style and the modern trend of acid attacks is something that concerns me today

48harv · 19/01/2018 15:02

I also lament the fact that so many women are murdered each year purely for being a woman, too many men feel they have the right to abuse, beat and murder women as a male perogative the rapes and murders of women and children in India is a stain on the male of the species, women in Myanmar have undergone pure evil girls in Latin American and in Mexico die at an alarming rate with indifference from the authorities this is the sad state we are in in the 21st century

48harv · 19/01/2018 15:06

Thank you bambambini your kind word are very welcome bless you

48harv · 19/01/2018 15:20

One point I will attempt to explain, the bathroom controversy........as a post op transexual I use the ladies, but I do understand the worry about a “ man in a dress” going into a ladies toilet and the concerns that this raises, before my op I always made sure I went before going out so I never needed to use the conveniences open to the public, but I feel for school children going through what I went through and the stress they are in especially in Trumps America. Not all trans people are sex mad monsters, but it would only take one I suppose and all hell will break loose.

ITCouldBeWorse · 19/01/2018 16:42

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Fantasticmissfoxy · 19/01/2018 17:59

48harv thank you for taking the time to reply - it is appreciated.
I'm glad you have reconciled your physical and emotional 'selves' and I wish you all the luck in the world in continuing to live as you are. I'm sorry you had to struggle for so long and of course I realise that if you could 'wave a magic wand' you would have been born female.
I also feel very worried that the current 'trans activism' madness rebounds on those trying to go about their daily business and live life the best way they know how.

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 18:06

@Fantasticmissfoxy I can't speak for Emma on the programme of course but in answer to "I felt bad for Emma especially as I didn't feel that anyone had been honest with her and said that if the main aim of the surgery was to allow her to get physical with another person, that being a post operative transgender person would narrow her potential dating pool to virtually nil."

I don't think your take on it is strictly true either. Trans people do find sexual partners and romantic and life partners. Yes, indeed the dating pool is considerably smaller than for non-trans people. However, Emma made it clear she was attracted to males and it seemed she was not able to pursue men as a man. I think confidence, happiness and self-acceptance of the person oneself would go a long way to making relationships last, (or even get started). And Emma seemed to lack these.

However, by the end of the programme Emma presented as a considerably more confident and happy person and for a 45 or 50 year old, really very well turned out.

So I think the truth may well be somewhere in between the two extremes. I'd also imagine that as a male Emma had zero chance of getting close to a male, evidenced by the fact she was a 50 year old virgin (nothing wrong with that at all, but it was clear this was not what she wanted.)

She had not left behind a heartbroken wife or ex partner, her choices affected only her really. So I think she had much better chances of being happy later in life than she had up to that point. I hope there is a follow up and we see Emma in love. Plus by being on a national TV programme about this topic she will almost certainly be honest with people she meets about her past, which again, feels (when safe to do) like a good recipe for a good romantic or sex life.

But pretty much all the rest of your comments I agree with. Thanks

bambambini · 19/01/2018 18:19

For me it’s not really about dodgy men gaining access to loos by wearing a dress and I don’t think all transwomen are sex mad monsters. It’s the lack of thinking through where saying “it’s only a loo” has led. And even with loos, it seems to be underestimated or even given thought to the fact that many women and girls can’t actually help the instinctive feeling they get when they walk into a loo and something’s not right - as in a male is present. Tbh, I’m not scared or think they necessarily pose any threat - i just get really thrown and feel uncomfortable and embarrassed - in the past I’ve evrn walked out if a male cleaner is there or maybe just sat being unable to pee. It shouldn’t come down to passing or being smaller and less masculine (threatening) looking but the truth is if they do pass then I won’t notice and my instincts won’t kick in

And I realise it must be difficult for confused school children to manoeuvre but no one seems to realise it might be difficult for self conscious and anxious teenage girls to find they have no choice in that the boy they know is now a girl and demands access to their changing rooms. For some reason girls don’t seem to be considered in the equation. Just as women are also told just to suck it up.

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 18:21

@bambambini I also liked seeing a more compassionate line.

I must admit the staff with talk of Mr Inglefield's vaginas did make me smile!

@48harv the toilet one is a weird one. Personally, I would have had no issue with use of loos in the past and still now people who have been through a gender recognition certificate (thingy - please someone tell me the correct name). My issue is being told that anyone who thinks they deserve to be in the lady's loo should be there and anything else is bigoted.

fox this is so true "I also feel very worried that the current 'trans activism' madness rebounds on those trying to go about their daily business and live life the best way they know how."

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 18:27

Yes 100% @bambambini

I do feel the end of the communal loos is in sight. I personally won't miss them!

Private enclosed spaces (with sink) that open onto a corridor or open space will be the norm in the future and I would (if I had any time to put into campaigning) be campaigning for this rather than trying to keep certain people out of communial loos.

It's actually (I think) an evolution... we started out pooping and peeing in the woods, a tree away from someone else in the open air, then we got to the Roman baths (and Chinese communal loos, which I've used) where you are next to someone in a sex segregated space, no walls or doors, then walls and doors and separate spaces, and one day we will all get our own space!

But the bigger picture is prisons, hospitals and hostels for youth or vulnerable adults etc.

DeleteOrDecay · 19/01/2018 18:37

Not forgetting women's sports.

48harv · 19/01/2018 19:14

Wow ladies this is such an excellent forum for our views, I do agree with most of the loo comments, I wouldn’t cause you to break out in hot flushes (excuse the pun) as I pass 100% so you wouldn’t know but if someone was to be in the loo with 5o clock shadow even I might be unsettled.

48harv · 19/01/2018 19:19

Something else on the subject of trans people , you may be surprised but I suffered a very heavy dose of the menopause which left me changing my whole wardrobe 6ir7 times a day and my bed linen more than once a day , I was always wet, and the headaches were aaaahh , fortunately I didn’t suffer depression but I did burst into tears an awful lot.

48harv · 19/01/2018 19:29

It’s called gender re-assignment surgery, the surgeon then gives you a form confirming the date of the surgery and then as I did you apply to have the birth certificate changed to the new sex and obtain all documents in this gender oh by then you would already have changed your name as you have to live a minimum of a year in your new gender, by deed poll

48harv · 19/01/2018 19:36

My opinion on woman’s sports as a trans woman are mixed, if you have transitioned in late teens you will have the frame of a woman, but if you are a late bloomer you will be a lot stronger than some (not all) fellow contestants, so might have an advantage, I believe a runner did this in the last olympics and there once was a tennis pro that also competed in their revised genders.

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 19:37

@48harv "It’s called gender re-assignment surgery" No I mean the certification you can get which you are not required to have surgery to get (now).

48harv · 19/01/2018 19:39

Can I ask what the consensus is on the freeing soon of the black cab rapist Worboys, should he go free?

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 19:41

@48harv I am furious they want to free this fucker. If he had been sexually assaulting middle aged men I am guessing he would never see the light of day again!

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 19:47

Violence against women is never taken seriously, I know you know.

I used to watch 'Unreported World' and remember all the violence against women in Mexico etc. I remember reading somewhere that girls in Latin America have to hide in holes in the ground once they reach a certain age because they are so vulnerable to sexual abuse from me.

This is absolutely the crux of any matter for me. Safety for everyone, protection, lack of abuse etc.

If I did not see the ways in which males might abuse the proposed self identity laws and the ways some individuals have previously used their position to inflict suffering on women I would be a complete and utter supporter of trans issues for those for whom it is right.

Sadly, for a great many females now there are so many 'issues' around their bodies and the concerns they face I think a lot of young women are looking to being a trans man to kind of protect them from the bits of being female they hate! Which should not be necessary.

48harv · 19/01/2018 19:47

Sorry but this form was not issued to me to me. I saw a psychiatrist for 2 years and he helped me get the surgery I was also monitored by my local GP but I was not given any form to show my intent to change gender, although I did go to the police and inform them what I was doing and checked if I would be breaking the law, I was told by them I could be arrested for breaching the peace if there was a riot over my actions

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 19:48

Obviously " to sexual abuse from men!"

Italiangreyhound · 19/01/2018 19:59

@48harv how long ago was this, some things changed in 2010.

48harv · 19/01/2018 20:00

Can I point out one misnomer I didn’t choose to be transgender, it is one of the hardest roads to walk, if I was told you can choose to be trans or gay or a straight guy I would have chosen one of the two latter choices believe me, my existence was a form of hell, you learn to lie to deceive, to trust no one and double check everything. As a light note I had a very thin waist until the second op and when I was about 25 I used to wear a waspie all the time ,well one day I didn’t have it on and a girl from theinvoice dept came and grasped my waist , apparently there was a sweepstake doing the rounds that I wore a corset, that was close, hehe

48harv · 19/01/2018 20:02

I had my first op in 1991 and due to a prolapse I had another op in 1992 exactly a year apart.

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