ITV Transformation Street

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On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

48harv "I think I am going to like this forum it’s refreshing to read honest comments"

I think Mumsnet is a very varied place! Post in AIBU and you will find the comments are caustic and terrible. I would advise extreme caution. I'm not a regular poster in the feminism section so no idea what it is like all the time.

I think on this subject of trans issues it will very much depend what people are asking or saying. We've had threads about male prisoners (like a rapist) being put in female prisons and there you will find some comments that some trans people would find very unsupportive! I've fallen out in real life with friends over that kind of issue. But people having surgery to live their lives is a really different issue, to me!

When I was transitioning I was abused by both genders both physically and verbally I attended a college for free facial electrolysis and hair treatments as I almost lost my hair as it was pulled out by the roots by 3 girls, I am saying this as I want to explain that there are people that do hate my type

@48harv " but in truth I found some of the women were looking for “different “ angles than I was and only attended for a required span of time" What angles?

@Vicxy we must stop cross posting like this!

I swear more on Mumsnet than I ever do in real life!

But people having surgery to live their lives is a really different issue, to me!

Yup. Agree with this.

I have strong views on female only spaces. Not as strong as they could be (for example postop transwomen I have no issue sharing female space with, BUT I also do acknowledge that other women may have problems) but strong enough.

But I have absolutely no problem at all with anyone modifying their body in a way that alleviates their dysphoria. I wish 'gender' was abolished fullstop to be quite honest as then everyone could wear what they liked and be as masculine or as feminine as they want to be without even a raised eyebrow.

we must stop cross posting like this!

Great minds

On the upside of this and to lighten the mood it was the best thing I could have done, I have made peace with my God and have for the last 5 months been attending church again for the first time since my teens, I looked after 2children through their young lives as a nanny, yes the mother knew what I had done, and I have always held jobs that require one to one contact, but I do not tell them I am transexual , they take me as female .... which I am.🌹

@48harv I am so sorry about what happened with those three girls. There are horrible people in many places.

I looked under telly addicts and it seems no one was watching this programme.

I've watched both last week's episode and this weeks' one. I don't actually watch the surgery bits.

I felt very sad watching the mum with Lucas. I've got a daughter, I was trying to imagine how I would handle this. Very badly is my guess.

But I think people will not wait until their parents died now, but I've heard of that before 48harv, people waiting until their parents died.

I actually feel very angry that modern day trans activists are actually doing so much harm to support for transsexuals. You may encounter some of these thoughts on Mumsnet, these are very hot topics and sometimes the debates are very much about issues, not about individual people. Most of us here, if not all of us here, are actually concerned for the issues, and the people separately. If that makes sense. Angry that women's fragile rights are being challenged but actually supportive of individuals who are not trying to hurt others.

Thank you for sharing here, it is good to hear a variety of voices.

Dear Italian greyhound the different angles were they were transvestites and thrill seekers that wanted to parade in ultra short skirts and fishnet tights and be as outlandish as possible, and swore like burly men 😁

Dear italiagreyhound how did you come up with that handle it does not portray you , I find you empathetic and really nice and refreshingly open minded thank you for that

I'm glad you've had jobs you like and are going to church. I think being honest with people is really good. Of course you need to look out for your safety but also others should be able to feel safe too.

I say I would handle it badly, I know I would, but I also know I love my kids and would try my best for them! One of my children is a teenager and it's very, very common for trans gender topics and the topic of sexuality to be discussed at school, these seem to be the two hot topics. Although I don't think they are actually being taught about them. All the info is being found on the internet.

To all who have read my story there is more to me than what I wrote, I am an active campaigner for all things female, from FGM, early marriage, 130 million girls not attending school, the rape culture in India, the enslavement if women captives if daesh and book haram, the rights of women in Middle eastern countries especially Saudi Arabia, and the brutal attacks on cevilians in war zones, I also have Muslim friends who are really nice people who I respect immensely. I love to learn all I can about a diverse range of topics

But I think people will not wait until their parents died now, but I've heard of that before 48harv, people waiting until their parents died.

Not sure if you are watching CBB, but Wayne Sleep was talking about coming out as gay and said he could not do it until his parents had died. Was quite an emotional conversation really.

I actually feel very angry that modern day trans activists are actually doing so much harm to support for transsexuals. You may encounter some of these thoughts on Mumsnet, these are very hot topics and sometimes the debates are very much about issues, not about individual people. Most of us here, if not all of us here, are actually concerned for the issues, and the people separately. If that makes sense. Angry that women's fragile rights are being challenged but actually supportive of individuals who are not trying to hurt others.

YY to this.

If I was to have a relationship with a man of course he would have to know what I was but most of my friends bar one take me as female and I am no threat to them or them to me

@48harv Thank you.

"how did you come up with that handle" what handle?

I've done a lot of reading on this topic, a lot. I came to it via the church debates around homosexuality. The C of E has been discussing homosexuality a lot in the last few years since same sex marriage. Over the last few years forums which discussed sexuality became more LGBT focused and so I came into contact, on line and in person, with trans people and trans-related issues.

I'm from a church tradition that is usually a bit less 'tolerant' (low church) and part of being involved in these kind of church debates is to try and help the church think through these different issues.

I've struggled with trans issues, I don't have one uniform view. It has affected me as we have what may be called 'gender fluid' people in my wider family and amongst friends's children. I am very concerned for young children who are being told if they like to dress a certain way that must mean they are trans etc, or gender-fluid.

I do not believe these are all girls who would normally be trans but rather that it is a trend. This is not a reflection on you at all 48harv, it is what is happening with young people today.

I see it from outside as it does not affect me directly. It concerns me because I don't want young people, especially girls, to feel there is something wrong with being a girl.

As I say, it is a big issue, it is a bit like one of those pictures where you look and at first it appears to be one thing and then it is another thing. The reasons young women are dressing androgynous nowadays are not not necessarily the reason that males are identifying as women. And certainly not the same as, as you pointed out, those in the short-skirted fishnet crewe, there are lots of different things going on!

Must go to bed now. Night Night.

@Vicxy ah yes, Wayne Sleep, that was where I heard it. He waited to come out.

@48harv by handle do you mean how I would handle the issue (I would do my best but I know from previous experience much as I want to would struggle because I feel girls can be anything they want to be, they don't need to be boys to be anything they want! If that makes sense.) Or handle as in my name?

love the dogs

Sorry to cross post I am new to this page, so please forgive me,
Personally I find all radical factions of any group to be dangerous because they refuse to listen to level heads who want to slow the pace,the suffragettes in the early 20th century were different to the verminous rants of some radical groups of today that in my humble opinion drive a wedge through tolerance and diversity

love the dogs, not just Italian greyhounds but click the link and see how cute they are! Night night.

I'm impressed with your issues you are involved with. Excellent.

On a note of the programme, I liked Emma. Very impressive, she blossomed through the programme. However, those boobs looked like a young woman's, she's 50, they would be a lot more south facing if real!

I find Juno rather annoying on line (read a few things she has written) but I think I might like her in real life!

Anyway, must get some kip. Night.

I am sorry for the confusion over the word handle , I mean your name you chose to go by many years ago I had a cab radio and handle was the term used for made up name , sorry for the confusion

Good night all and thank you

the suffragettes in the early 20th century were different to the verminous rants of some radical groups of today that in my humble opinion drive a wedge through tolerance and diversity

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Verminous rants of who?

Which radical groups are we talking?

Night italian. Must sleep myself soon. Keep going to bed after 2am then being utterly dead all the next day.

Goodnight to you too 48harv. Was good talking to you.

Radical feminists are not "radical" as in extremist, they are radical as in:
Radical
1. (especially of change or action) relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough.
"a radical overhaul of the existing regulatory framework"
Liberal feminism wishes to moderate the current system, (patriarchy,) and make it more favourable toward women. Radical feminism believes the current system is unsalvageable, and that it needs to be changed fundamentally in order for women's liberation to happen.

Also while I sympathise, 48, you are nonetheless categorically not female. Being polite and nice and not a threatening AGP does not make you female, I'm afraid.

I struggled with this programme a bit - mainly I think because while I have enormous sympathy for someone who is so conflicted about their own body they are willing to go through massively risky, painful and expensive surgery to change it, I couldn't help but feel that the surgeon and his team were being massively dishonest with them.

All of the individuals / patients on the show came across as genuinely nice people who were really struggling. I felt bad for Emma especially as I didn't feel that anyone had been honest with her and said that if the main aim of the surgery was to allow her to get physical with another person, that being a post operative transgender person would narrow her potential dating pool to virtually nil.

And while I felt for (I think it was Stephanie) over losing contact with her sons, I fail to understand how someone can father children while 'knowing' themselves to be female? It seems massively as odds with the claim that they've 'always known'

I do believe that every person has the right to dress, present and alter their body physically however they wish and that no one should be discriminated against, threatened, hurt, insulted or bullied for their sexuality, appearance, race, age or religion. I am happy to refer to anyone by the name and pronouns they prefer. But I will not accept that you can change your sex - you can't. I don't understand why Trans women can't accept that they are trans women and that this IS different to biological women. Not less, not worse, just different.

For example, my mother in law is in amazing physical shape and has had some (very good) work done. She looks no older than 45-50. She's 65. And it doesn't matter how much work she has done or how good she looks she will still be 65. And that's great. She can look younger, present younger, and hell even tell people she's younger, she may wish very passionately to be younger but it is something she cannot change.

And the claim that trans women are more at risk from violence / harm than biological women - I don't believe. Perhaps from strangers, but most violence against women is perpetrated by their male partners and I do not know a single trans woman who has a male partner.

I'm grateful to the trans women who are willing to come here and be open and rational. I would never wish to insult or hurt you. But I will not agree that you are female. You are a trans woman and that is fine in itself.

Caught the show last night for the first time. As someone who is concerned that women’s and girl’s rights are being eroded - it was good to get a different more human perspective on transfolk rather than the often aggressive and delusional claims in the likes of twitter from the more extreme TAs.