ITV Transformation Street

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On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

I imagine that the statement about transwomen going to gynaecologists is simply a lie. There is absolutely no reason at all for a transwoman to see a gynaecologist, and any gynaecologist would immediately recognise they were not biologically female.

Had a look online at how prevalent the belief that gynaecologists can't tell the difference is, and it seems to be endemic, and spouted with such confidence that people actually believe it.

I did see some responses by transwomen and gynaecologists saying that there's no need for them to visit an ob/gyn at all, and that a normal GP can deal with most of the issues.

I'm just watching this now.

The people all seem so lovely and as the pp said they really aren't the ones I would assume to be making all the noise.

So far though I am struck by how heavily made up they all are. Like 13 year olds who bought their first orange foundation in boots.

And there seen to he other underlying issues with them too.

I'm not seeing anything besides stereo types yet.

And the one who said she thought she'd feel better after the breast op except she doesn't.

It's like all those other people who think a nose job will fix their problems but then it's a face lift and then Botox etc

Im.not sure liking trousers and going nuts over a crop top makes someone a boy.

Feel so bad for them tbh.

And bless Wendy. She's pinned everything on this operation I can't help but wonder if it really will live up to her expectations

Watched this with my AGP partner the other day.
I did ask him what his take on this was and he said he didn't think any of them were "true" trans people and that they had deeper mental health issues.
Interesting, I thought, so I digged a bit deeper with him - what is true trans?
He couldn't answer - other than fluffy lady brain cultish nonsense.
Then a big realisation hit me, he has NEVER done anything to address why he doesn't feel male, why the OBSESSION with "ladies stockings, heels and full presentation".
I asked the question, got a jokey brush off. Pushed again, got a slightly annoyed "why does it matter". Bravely (considering he can rage if I poke holes or even slightly berate his feminine side) I pushed the question again - very calmly and logically, that it does matter if the obsession gets in the way of his male ego and my attraction to him.
He then started to get a bit angry and totally changed the subject.
I noticed this with the programme, no one asked the one important question - WHY, because when you get to the WHY, you can then get to the understanding and the healing (not saying that they give up dressing, but to truly understand the emotions and psychology behind it).
They are very protective of this alter ego, it seems to me that there is a fear that this "other" person within themselves will be killed if they are forced to face the real and difficult emotions behind it. This "other" is a safety blanket of some kind.
No wonder Ray Blanchard and other experts looking at the real reasons behind Transgenderism get so much rage directed at them.

That's really interesting EmilyHowardsWife - I don't think there is much support for the term currently in psychiatry, but it reminds me of the 'multiple personality' disorder that people used to talk about, where victims of abuse become different personas to cope with the trauma.

emily

That is really interesting

It also seems to highlight a strange sort of

"I'm more trans than you" kinda mentality.

And almost as if he sees the sheer joke of it all on every one else but themselves?

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/jan/12/transformation-street-review-three-eloquent-case-studies-discuss-changing-gender?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other#comments

Guardian article allowing comments for once if you feel like joining in.

@EmilyHowardsWife thank you for sharing this, it is amazing you were able to press him on this. And interesting that, as @Gileswithachainsaw observes, a kind of ""I'm more trans than you" kinda mentality. "

I'm watching it on catch up. I think Wendy passed quite well. But Wendy was also married to a woman so why do these trans women keep marrying women?

Danny was so very selfish, there is no way on this earth I would stay with someone to be put through that. How much of their money is the surgery going to cost them as a couple while he gets his nose fixed and can, in the words of the surgeon think "I'm hot!" How many women think that!

As a mum my heart went out to the mum at the start.

How sad those women comparing their vaginas to the 'Mr Inglefield Vagina'!

I felt quite sorry for Wendy, I hope this all makes her happy.

Danny's whole argument is about what is best for him. Why not be honest with his wife before-hand?

From the age of reason I wanted to be a girl, I pleaded with God to put it right, but in the 50s it was not even heard of, I cried myself to sleep almost every night, in my teens I went out dressed as a girl, bought my own clothes,in my 20s and 30s I still dressed in my rightful attire, I hated my male appendage, one night I pleaded with my God to make me whole or take my soul, in 1990 I finally transitioned and suffered abuse from locals and so called friends, now in 2018 having lived happily for the last 28 years I would only change one thing, I would have done it much sooner given the opportunity, you may say I am not a real woman , maybe not but it wasnt by my choice it was having an x instead of a Y, I never married because I didn’t want to hurt anyone, I waited until my parents died so I didn’t hurt them, my siblings were of similar ages as myself so were more worldly and given the choice to accept me or not at their disgression. Hope this clarifies why we do it when the pressure becomes unbearable.

48harv

I am glad you finally found happiness.

I think you may find regardless of what you might have been told about MN, and in particular the MN feminist section, that not many women here think you are wrong for having surgeries or whatever to feel more at peace with yourself. That women on here think all people should be able to dress how they like and such without discrimination and that everyone should be able to live their loives free of violence. Its only when transactivists and their ilk feel the need to trample all over the rights of female people..that there is a bit of a problem.

As I understand it (well, from what my trans family member tells me anyway, as I personally only know 3 trans people) most transsexual people actually disagree with the actions of transactivists and 'transgender' (suck my lady penis or be branded bigoted types, not other transsexual people) people and dislike how much the way they behave brings negative attention to transsexual people.

@48harv thank you for sharing your story. Have you watched the programme or is it too difficult to watch?

I don't think it is wrong for anyone to marry as long as they are honest, the example I gave of the soldier who transitioned last week was not honest and married only to tell his wife 5 months later that he wanted to be a woman.

48harv I hope you feel happy now. I have a lot of sympathy for all trans people and know trans people who are happy with their transition. The programme seems to be following people with a variety of stories and telling them in a compassionate way.

When I went out I was just as vulnerable to assault as a “real” girl or woman especially at night, yet that risk was one I willingly took, and remember more Transexuals die than any other minority because we are detested by both genders as being an abomination.

Cross-posted with @Vicxy who puts it so very well.

Yes, lots of woman are very supportive of trans people. Sadly the whole 'self-identity' thing has really turned a lot of women off being supportive.

I definitely do not see transsexuals as an abomination and would never ever use that language to describe another person. I doubt any other woman on this board would either.

Thank you for your comments , I am over the past 28 years content and happy and wouldn’t change a thing , I did have bottom surgery but left the rest to nature, my female form I am happy with but at 70 the wrinkles are an unpleasant reality😍

@48harv are you watching the programme?

I think I am going to like this forum it’s refreshing to read honest comments

Again @Vicxy is completely correct. I've never heard that language of 'abomination'. Sadly, the only place I have heard this kind of language is in relation to homosexuality from some very 'fundamentalist' Christian types. As a Christian myself I would never consider using that language about anyone!

I do feel these days we can also, to some extent, choose to be around people who affirm us. Things have changed so much that in some ways people are choosing to present as they want. I really feel the whole self-identity has thrown a bomb into the support that would have been naturally there between trans women and women.

Yes toitalian greyhounds question, it is interesting, when I was in my early days of transition I was required to attend similar forums where like minded people would meet for tea and topical discussion but in truth I found some of the women were looking for “different “ angles than I was and only attended for a required span of time

I think I am going to like this forum it’s refreshing to read honest comments
Heh. If mumsnet is anything it is definitely honest I had quite the shock when I first joined, esecially with the amount of swearing. But it definitely grows on you.

I hope you do stick around. Its useful to have differing opinions on stuff. Echo chambers do noone any good really.