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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

409 replies

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 04/01/2018 00:46

Because lot of people on twitter appear to think that women piss out of their vaginas.

So with that particular piece of 'advanced biology', what happens with a newly constructed vagina?

And er. maybe some will be disappointed with the plumbing?

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Onlyoldontheoutside · 11/01/2018 01:41

Thank you Rachel.
Some of us natal women do talk frankly about our bodies but get shut down by other women calling it oversharing.No wonder so many of us have an incomplete understanding of our anatomy if we can even talk about it between ourselves.And how often on these oversharing threads do you read woman after woman sat
Saying ,I thought it was just me.

hipsterfun · 11/01/2018 22:50

Totally agree.

In particular, it drives me nuts when you get those squeamish TMI warnings on threads to do with pregnancy and birth or gynae issuesn and on bloody MN of all places.

Maryz · 12/01/2018 00:05

Well if anyone is really wondering about this, they could just watch CBB, where India Willoughby is happily informing people that vaginas can be selected by looking at pictures in a book.

No wonder trans people are confused, depressed, miserable Hmm if they think that the wonder that is a proper, home-grown multifunctional vagina can be made out of a few pieces of skin and a photograph.

"trans" children really are being sold a pup Angry

AssassinatedBeauty · 12/01/2018 00:13

IW will be incorrectly using vagina to refer to the external appearance of a vulva, no doubt.

BatShite · 12/01/2018 00:22

Yes, IW looked through a book of 10k vaginas and picked her fave one apparently. Because...thats how it works. Sure.

Ereshkigal · 12/01/2018 00:28

Doesn't everyone do that? Grin

MaidOfStars · 12/01/2018 00:44

Didn't someone do that recently? Make plaster cast models of vulvas and display them in a museum for plaudits and hurrahs?

thebewilderness · 12/01/2018 01:33

It is a cruel hoax by the trans advocates and the medical community to have convinced an entire generation of young people that they will receive an organ transplant through the manipulative language they use when talking about the surgery. Calling it a sex change operation for the past sixty years is the first and biggest lie.

BartholinsSister · 12/01/2018 07:53

With the recent advances in transplant surgery, it won't be too long before people can receive donor reproductive organs.

AnachronisticCorpse · 12/01/2018 08:04

Maybe, but I highly doubt men will be able to receive female reproductive organs. Because you’d have to replace their pelvis, endocrine systems, whatever it is that makes the placenta grow etc etc. It’s not as simple as bunging in a uterus and ovaries, there would be no way for them to function, surely.

Disclaimer: not a doctor, but this is my basic understanding.

MaidOfStars · 12/01/2018 08:27

I cannot see female-to-male uterus transplants any time soon, whatever the media say.

There’s no clinical need. There’s a high chance of failure. The transplanted organ is redundant.

No organ would be transplanted under the above conditions.

athingthateveryoneneeds · 12/01/2018 09:30

Additionally, all the medication that needs to be taken in order for the human body to not reject it... surely that in itself is at odds with growing a fetus?

It completely boggles my mind that people believe this gubbins.

Maryz · 12/01/2018 12:07

There is no way a functioning vagina will be implanted into a man soon.

Removed from a female nervous system, female hormonal system, woman's body, it's a tube of tissue. Which appears to be what most men think it is Hmm

As dd pointed out yesterday "I bet her designer vagina doesn't get thrush every time she's on antibiotics"

LangCleg · 12/01/2018 12:38

Yes. Uterus implants into men won't be happening because a) gestating a baby requires an entire and functioning female body, not just a transplanted organ, and b) if it's ever possible to gestate a baby outside of a woman, it will be less dangerous to the foetus to gestate it in an artificial environment.

Terrylene · 12/01/2018 14:14

Yes, IW looked through a book of 10k vaginas and picked her fave one apparently. Because...thats how it works. Sure

Damn - I read a short paper by a surgeon who used a book - it is a famous one with pictures of vulvas with a picture of a shell on the front. He showed the 3 'favourites' and I think there were some pictures of results that didn't look quite like any of those 3 pictures, but I suppose it is what you see in those original pictures........

Can't for the life of me remember what it was. I will have to google, but it was on another account, so will have to go back to that.

Terrylene · 12/01/2018 14:17

If you do a transplant, you need as near a match of tissue type as you can get, then if it is all connected up properly and takes, you need to support the transplant from attack by the immune system. Can't see that working.

There are risks to balance, and if you are transplanting organs, the risks of not doing it are much higher Hmm

MaidOfStars · 12/01/2018 16:16

A further note on transplantation...

While there is even one single woman on a list for uterus transplant, not one man can possibly beat her suitability criteria.

PricklyBall · 12/01/2018 16:41

Are you thinking of the great wall of vagina? (NSFW! - as if you couldn't guess that from the name...)

PositivelyPERF · 12/01/2018 16:46

The problem with that theory is, MaidOfStars society is being brainwashed and bullied into 'recognising' men as 'women'. You can even see it here, with mumsnet, a mainly female visitor site, telling us we have to go along with the lie that he/him is a she/her.

It's only a matter of time before the TRAs start screaming transphobe because there isn't enough research into female to male transplants.

busyboysmum · 12/01/2018 18:15

metro.co.uk/2018/01/12/rebekah-shelton-breaks-reveals-regretted-gender-reassignment-final-tv-appearance-7223384/

Someone posted this on another thread. Given how sore I felt after childbirth and stitches I tend to think this is more the reality after surgery for most.

hipsterfun · 13/01/2018 00:20

So, according to Rebekah, “Everyday you have to do something called dilation for at least a year. That’s the most painful thing ever. It’s like having a baby every day.”

O RLY?

And you would know this how?

AssassinatedBeauty · 13/01/2018 11:16

Comparing something to an experience you have never had is incredibly stupid. I'm sure it's painful and distressing, but it really cannot be anything like giving birth. Presumably the word "dilation" is what has caused Rebekah to think of the comparison, except that Rebekah is clearly unaware that it's not your vagina that dilates during childbirth, it's your cervix!

hipsterfun · 13/01/2018 13:32

Maybe it’s more like having the speculum part of a smear test every day, but for a longer period of time? As a comparison, it doesn’t have quite the same drama Hmm

But you’re right, AB, it’s a mistake for me to try to compare something to an experience I’ve never had.

I’d have had plenty of sympathy if she’d just said it smarted like fuck, but all sympathy evaporated with the birth comparison.

IcedCocoa · 13/01/2018 14:57

Around 10 in every 10 000 women die in childbirth or the six weeks afterwards. That is before you consider all the nearly fatal, or potentially fatal cases, or long term complications.

BatShite · 13/01/2018 15:07

Just incase anyone doesn't know this, in that article it states Rebekah has passed away unexpectedly. This is not true, apparently someone hacked her twitter to put a message about her dying...I personally suspect she did it herself as she is a huge attention seeker. But either way, she is not dead.