Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

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Because lot of people on twitter appear to think that women piss out of their vaginas.

So with that particular piece of 'advanced biology', what happens with a newly constructed vagina?

And er. maybe some will be disappointed with the plumbing?

Is no one going to mention the period poo? You know (cos you is women, innit) that huge shit you have just as your period is due to start/starts? Never hear about anyone trying to emulate that particular joy of womenhood, even those who are sticking frozen tomato sauce sachets up their behinds.

Erm very stinky farts just before my period starts. I mean clear a room type of stinky. They never smell that bad at any other time of the month

Is no one going to mention the period poo?Never hear about anyone trying to emulate that particular joy of womenhood,

Oh, i've seen that appropriated too.

Orgasms when pregnant proved how involved the uterus is. In fact in my last pregnancy I got told no sex at the end as it was triggering contractions.

Honestly am baffled as to how someone can seriously think a surgeon can turn a Male anatomy into a female anatomy. It's very odd.

Plus the lubricating scrotal skin. Never come across that before 🤮

Saw this last night and didn't bite, I needed sleep and so glad I did, the zombie threads always make an interesting breakfast read.

Like barelove I have also done the breast milk eye infection trick - works a treat as I hate going to the doc.

Even without all the quoting of fictional 'science' the OP sure does believe it. It really is Self ID when you have a person believing their own science and anything less than offering validation (as we have to believe it too) is not enough for their ego.

Interesting that the story changes along the way too, perhaps as the science does, maybe that is also fiction.

I got told no sex at the end as it was triggering contractions.

And I was advised to do the opposite, for exactly the reason!

*the same

Well this post menopausal woman is still lucky enough to orgasm on average 5 times per go.
Just felt like throwing that in. grin This one too Backinthecloset Also during PIV which never happened before Which is a bonus

Sorry about bold fail

I'm a care worker in a nursing home for the elderly and dementia residents. There is no way a female body masculines after menopause and into old age. They are women: adult human females. Same applies to the men.

One of the problems at the moment is 'relationships' in the care home. There are a few.

This article is excellent.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/03/dementia-sex-consent-care-home

I personally still get awoken by orgasms in my sleep. Post menopausal here.

The only time I lost this was after the birth of my three children, lasting on average 2 years post each birth. I could still orgasm awake though.

Very envious of those getting sex. I really miss it. But at my age...

That's a thought. Perhaps I could try bullying people who don't find me attractive into having sex with me for the sake of my mental health. I'd like a steady trickle of kind, decent looking, amusing middle aged men, please. Do you think anyone cares about horny 60+ women? If I called them gerontophobic could it catch on?

Perhaps not.

I used to get incredibly horny during the last trimester. I remember having this totally epic multiple orgasm at 8 months and DS1 did a slow roll in response. We decided even the baby knew how much we loved each other.

One of the most offensive claims I've heard TRAs make - and they've done it numerous times on MN - is that an infertile woman is just like a man who identifies as a woman. It's a horrible thing to say and betrays their total ignorance of the female body and of infertility. Why (and I must have asked myself this a hundred times) do people like that, who say they are us, hate us so much?

8 month pregnancy orgasms are those I will never forget. All my uterus contracted with pleasure. I could feel the contractions under my ribs.

Just to clarify: a lot of the dementia residents are not elderly.

No neovagina has pelvic floor muscles like an actual vagina.

Sorry if TMI, but, well developed ones are capable of interesting “bedroom tricks”.

Sorry, had to be said, because vaginas are amazing.

One of the most offensive claims I've heard TRAs make - and they've done it numerous times on MN - is that an infertile woman is just like a man who identifies as a woman. It's a horrible thing to say and betrays their total ignorance of the female body and of infertility.

Yes I see it all the time, and it enrages me.

Infertility is one of the many agonising biological issues that women can face - the other side of the coin to unwanted pregnancy, I suppose.

I remember my friends and I, deciding to settle down & have children at around the same time, and talking a lot about the fact that we had spent around a decade trying to prevent pregnancy, only then to become obsessed by getting pregnant.

I know so many women who have suffered infertility, and successfully had IVF babies. My sister is pregnant with an IVF baby ( )

I know 2 women who had serious post-birth complications which resulted in a hysterectomy, when they wanted more children.

For men to even try to appropriate these issues - which affect so many women - into some sort of TRA "gotcha" is outrageous.

For me, there is no better proof of autogynephilia (AGP, the sexual fetish of a male desiring himself as a woman) than men surgically constructing holes for themselves and fake breasts. There is absolutely NO possible reasons for them, except for sexual purposes. The hole (it is NOT a "neovagina" as it is not a vagina which is the birth canal that babies and menses passes through) does not connect to a cervix or a womb/uterus. It is simply a hole for sex. The surgically constructed "breasts" do not have milk producing ducts and glands and cannot lactate a baby naturally. They are there for sexual purposes. This is classic autogynephilia whether the male realises it or not.

Oh just to add YES YES YES (going a Meg Ryan vibe here) sleep orgasms are amazing. I freaked out the first time I had one as I never knew they were a thing.

Long time lurker I registered after reading the dreadful pseudoscience of the menopause being masculinising. It isn't. It is a uniquely female experience and one that has huge positives. There is no natural andropause.

I have been maiden, mother and now I am matron. One day I will be the crone and then I will have experienced all that my female body can offer me in its ability to undergo marvellous change.

It is telling, I think, that the menopause, with its slipping away of much of society's enforced sexualisation of the female body, is seen by TRA as a failure of femininity. Because what they see of femaleness isn't based on biology or lived experience. They see the brittle artifice of 'woman face'.

And, of course, we are women regardless of our life choices. We can be mothers or not, it's doesn't matter, the biology is still there. HRT or not, we are still there.

As a 50 year old woman I do not see my ageing body as failing in its femaleness. I relish the changes it has brought me. I could be fascinated to know if the Caitlin Jenners of this world will seek to emulate the experience of menopause.

Excellent post, golgiapparatus

And welcome!

I’ll care about your difficult journey, Lucy, the very second that you give the tiniest shit about mine through infertility, endometriosis, adenomyosis, multiple gynae surgeries, oophrectomy, radical hysterectomy, premature menopause and the cavalcade of related, typically female auto immune dysfunction that followed. All due to being female.

If you ever do find that empathy, please do feel free to check back in and tell me again how we’re physiologically indistinguishable.

none of them have the remotest clue.

The pain women get during ovulation is called Mittelschmerz. I understand that’s from German, meaning middle pain. I remember looking it up as a medical student wondering whether this pain I had mid cycle (and had worked about from mid teens meant ovulation) had a name. The pain relates either to the mature follicle popping to release the egg or sometimes due to the small amount of fluid released into the pelvis causing localised irritation, so doesn’t automatically mean the side you get the pain is the side you’ve ovulated from.
And YY to Barracker’s list. I don’t remember much about labour with DS- placental abruption with haemorrhage at 30 weeks almost continuous contractions due to bleeding causing irritability, missing a c section under anaesthetic by the skin of my teeth as my amazing body took over and did what it needed to do- get my baby out ASAP as the placenta was no longer functioning. It was all very fast and I don’t remember consciously doing anything, I just did what my body needed to.

Actually I think we ought to offer up a vote of thanks to LucyAmethyst for their contributions to this resurrected thread. It's shown newcomers to FWR the type of nonsense, masquerading as science, that was trotted out on a regular basis even just a year ago, and as ever, refuted point by point by the indomitable regular MN posters. Facts trumps feelz every time.

Fortunately there seems to be less if it now, but the compulsion to mansplain never really goes away, does it, surgery or not?

Yes, it’s always the assumption that we just need to understand or be educated then of course, we’d see how wrong we all are about it. No idea that many of us have educated ourselves about it all and that some of us work in biological sciences or related fields with degrees and postgraduate qualifications. We’re just ignorant, uneducated, silly mummy’s, and if only we listened to the menz then we’d be much more understanding.

Totally not on the subject sorry but just wanted to welcome golgiapparatus - great username!