Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

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Because lot of people on twitter appear to think that women piss out of their vaginas.

So with that particular piece of 'advanced biology', what happens with a newly constructed vagina?

And er. maybe some will be disappointed with the plumbing?

Datun

So there is a pump inside a testicle? How is it operated?

By gently squeezing the pump inside the testicle, which fills the penile implant with saline.

Also used for men with ED.

Found this, which details options available for trans men who have undergone GRS. There are diagrams of penises but it's not too graphic.

www.trans-health.com/2013/penile-implants-guide/

Don''t puberty hormones also have an effect on brain development?

JessicaEccles
I don't think anyone knows the effects on brain development. It has never been ethical or legal to use untested drugs on children (or adults) in this country.

But apparently it's now fine!

Girls treated with "puberty blockers" i.e. chemotherapy drugs (lupron) for precocious puberty had lower IQ afterwards.

The problem is that lupron is tested and approved for use against prostrate cancer etc. It is being used off-label to "treat" gender nonconforming behaviour in childhood.

Common side effects:
redness/burning/stinging/pain/bruising at the injection site,
hot flashes (flushing),
increased sweating,
night sweats,
tiredness,
headache,
upset stomach,
nausea,
diarrhea,
constipation,
stomach pain,
breast swelling or tenderness,
acne,
joint/muscle aches or pain,
trouble sleeping (insomnia),
reduced sexual interest,
vaginal discomfort/dryness/itching/discharge,
vaginal bleeding,
swelling of the ankles/feet,
increased urination at night,
dizziness,
breakthrough bleeding in a female child during the first 2 months of leuprolide treatment,
weakness,
chills,
clammy skin,
skin redness,
itching or scaling,
testicle pain,
impotence,
depression,
increased growth of facial hair, or
memory problems.

There is a poster here who took Lupron or a similar drug also used for puberty blocking for a few months for gynaecological problems and still suffers from the permanent physical side effects.

It's akin to the hatred shown towards the likes child killers and rapists

That's interesting, because I do believe that some of the actions taken against children thought to be trans are child abuse & those performing/prescribing them should be jailed....

Abso-bloody-lutely.

Adults can do what they want to their own bodies, but to blithely state that hormone blockers and permanent surgeries are without side effects and 100% beneficial is WRONG. I will never see it in any other way.

Women who used Lupron a decade or more ago to delay puberty or grow taller described the short-term side effects listed on the pediatric label: pain at the injection site, mood swings, and headaches. Yet they also described conditions that usually affect people much later in life. A 20-year-old from South Carolina was diagnosed with osteopenia, a thinning of the bones, while a 25-year-old from Pennsylvania has osteoporosis and a cracked spine. A 26-year-old in Massachusetts needed a total hip replacement. A 25-year-old in Wisconsin, like Derricott, has chronic pain and degenerative disc disease.

'More than half reported moderate to life-threatening depression. Fifteen percent of the women rated their suicidal thoughts as life-threatening to severe.'

www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

Glad the title was changed to something more respectful. This information is much needed and absolutely fascinating to someone like myself who knows little about it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5191129/Transgender-woman-castrated-botched-surgery-NHS.html

From the mail - surgery does not always go right. I expect there is always a percentage that does not go right. It is always a risk with surgery.

Remember a few years ago all the shock and horror about young girls going for 'boob jobs' ? How it was seen as a damning indictment that growing children would have life changing surgery? Why is this seen as OK for children?

Grown women can't get a hysterectomy - or HRT - without a fight as they are told it's a big decision, they might change their mind, nobody knows the long term effects etc. Why are children allowed to lose their reproductive ability and be effectively castrated?

lunamoth581

Gosh. I'm left a little nonplussed by that link.

The drawbacks seem immense. Across all types. A permanent erection being described as 'awkward'.

Pain. 50% failure rate. Complications.

And I'm assuming the penis gets erect through purely mechanical means? Not through arousal?

It said that one of the cons is that it requires a fair amount of dexterity to release the saline. I'm getting a mental image of a woman furiously concentrating on pumping up her erection to have sex. Whilst knowing, as a woman myself, that concentrating on something else entirely is not generally conducive to arousal.

Am I the only person who is seeing this as a sledgehammer to crack a nut kind of solution?

A desperately invasive procedure which seems to have little to do with sexual arousal, but a lot to do with appearance?

Strewth. I'm only glad that so few women go for it. And entirely unsurprised.

Surely, surely there has to be something better than this to treat gender dysphoria.

Thanks LangCleg and sorry for all the questions. And I do have one more.

I honestly think adult trans health care will see less and less genital surgery and more and more experimentation with endocrine tech

Can you tell me what endocrine tech is?

And I completely agree with your conclusion. This is a way to get a fetish utterly legitimised and supported by the government.

*Can you tell me what endocrine tech is?

Basically mucking about with hormones!

Ah. Yes. It's an incredible example of cake and eat it, isn't it?

Feeding the fetish by growing breasts and being more soft and curvy, whilst retaining your man penis in order to get aroused by it all.

Then say you're a woman and swan around in the female locker room.

If someone had dreamt this up as fiction, no one would buy it.

Did you see the post on Twitter the other day where someone wanted surgery to create a vagina as well as his penis?

I think the best solution would be for them to all upload their consciousnesses into the cloud in some pomo utopia of a virtual environment. Then they can all happily socially construct themselves to death and career around in the socially constructed women's changing rooms, women's swim sessions and pretend to be nurses doing pap smears on happy socially constructed handmaidens, or whatever other socially constructed transgressions they fancy.

Leaving we Luddites back here on Planet Earth well alone!

LangCleg

I think many pretty much live 90 percent of their lives online or in their heads anyway. I don't suppose they would notice much difference.

I think many pretty much live 90 percent of their lives online or in their heads anyway. I don't suppose they would notice much difference.

But we would, Datun, we would!

Ha! True.

Is my urethra not in my vagina then? Serious question! I thought vagina was the region as a whole? Then again I've also only just realised I'm not sure what a womb is as no one has referenced it in either of my pregnancies.

Womb = uterus = thing you grew the baby in, Grey, assuming you're serious.

Grey - come on.
Silly Billy

*grey

Your urethra is outside your vagina. It's a very small aperture, so you might not be able to see it.

The bits that you can see on the outside are known as the vulva. The vagina is the 'tube' bit on the inside where the tampax goes. The womb is the same as the uterus, which is where the baby grows, inside your body.