Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

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Because lot of people on twitter appear to think that women piss out of their vaginas.

So with that particular piece of 'advanced biology', what happens with a newly constructed vagina?

And er. maybe some will be disappointed with the plumbing?

The female body is nothing short of miraculous.

Absolutely! I remember when I was pregnant doing some research into breastfeeding. Until then milk had just been something you bought in a supermarket. But when I found out more about breast milk and how the composition changes etc my mind was fairly blown.

Mind you, my mind is still blown by the fact I grew an actual person inside of me...

I'm slightly in awe of the malespeak, the use of random gibberish to convince the silly women that there is actual science behind the claims that a clitoris can be replicated using the nerves of a male anatomy.

A wise person once said, if you can't explain something in simple terms then you haven't understood it yourself.

Yes - pregnancy is fucking amazing (in a slightly annoying and uncomfortable way). I remember when I was pregnant catching a bit of a radio 4 programme on how AI specialists hoped to use a supercomputer roughly comparable to Deep Blue to simulate one small part of a monkey's brain, and thinking "wow, I'm currently growing a whole human brain for approximately the expenditure of a mars bar's worth of extra calories a day!"

I also remember entertaining a pub table's worth of my workmates when at about 8 1/2 months, DS decided to do a full Olympic standard tumbling routine in utero - the results of which were clearly visible through a thick woolly jumper. This table of blokes simultaneously fascinated and horrified (and all thinking "John Hurt in Alien")

So this appropriation and one-upmanship is both distasteful and unsurprising.

Indeed .. there is nothing more wonderful than the natural female organism, explicitly constructed by nature to deliver the large gamete [ovum], to gestate and give birth to generations of humanity.

No body that is naturally created by nature to deliver the small gamete [sperm] can ever know what is the female organism. Such an inhabited body can only fantasise

[No amount of surgical or medical intervention can do anything more than create a simulacrum. It is deeply regrettable that such people have been so misled by medical practitioners.]

Yes, I need a smear, too, I found a reminder letter underneath a pile of dusty crap over the weekend. Argh! No time to do everything i need to get done!!

I do believe there’s a word used in these circumstances. A word to describe how a born male decides they know much more about a subject and goes to great lengths to explain to the nearest women that they know much more about the subject despite said woman being an expert on the subject. It rhymes with pansplaining.

Look I am not here to cause a war, merely to try and help people to understand and hopefully educate some too.

I will leave it now, as its obvious that the bigotry and mysoginy on here is not going to change.

I hope one day you will all open your minds to the similarity of the scientific makeup of our bodies and how people like me struggle to be accepted as a female.

You see me as a man invading a female space, but that is not my intention, because if you actually met me in person and realised my struggle and suffering, you might actually start to understand.

On one hand we have women who want to be treated as equal to men, which is how it should be, but on the other we have women who refuse this, and want to believe that men are the superior sex, but my evidence today has proven the opposite, we are all biologically female, with androgens being used to determine male characteristics. Take away the androgens (if they even existed to begin with, as they weren't with me, which is why I was never a man) and you are scientifically female.

I had a DSD, I had a micro penis, which is why I could not have surgery with the NHS, so I had to have a grafted neovagina. Having a micro penis was a blessing, as it meant I had more sensation, because many of the nerve endings that the clitoris would have are lost during full development of the penis.

I did not want to be born this way, and to be rude and offensive to claim I am a man in disguise is not only bigoted but also mysoginistic and extremely offensive, as there's much more to being male or female than just having a penis or not.

We have the same pelvic floor, the same clitoral and genital structure and the same breast tissue as you, yes I can lactate and produce milk, because my body is a homologue of a female and the differences are turned on and off by hormones, which many of you will experience when you start to masculinise once you reach menopause, maybe only then will you start to understand how being a female with a female brain trapped inside a body that is masculinizing really tears you apart.

Have a nice life!

Look I am not here to cause a war, merely to try and help people to understand and hopefully educate some too.

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Honestly, you couldn't make it up.

I also remember entertaining a pub table's worth of my workmates when at about 8 1/2 months, DS decided to do a full Olympic standard tumbling routine in utero - the results of which were clearly visible through a thick woolly jumper. This table of blokes simultaneously fascinated and horrified (and all thinking "John Hurt in Alien")

Cleaning my screen ... having spat out my wine from laughing!

I don't go for smears because of the patriarchy. I did go for one years ago and it came back positive and I thought I had cancer then I looked into it and found that even being at the end of your period can cause you to have an abnormal smear.
That's the problem with women though. They just don't know what's good for them and they're known for having their own mind and not doing what they're told. A perpetual thorn in the side.

I missed this thread first time round. I was enjoying reading it, including looking at the images of the clitoris and those incredible 3d models. And the respectful discussion with Rachel.

As I read I was thinking 'I wonder why this thread has been revived?'

Pfft. What a disappointment.

Time to go make some cakes for the school fête.

It is deeply regrettable that such people have been so misled by medical practitioners.

This. It seems to me unethical to uncritically affirm everything a patient says. A man cannot become a woman, or vice versa. I always think of poor Jazz Jennings and others like them where no-one has once stepped in and said, "hang-on, you do realise that you can't literally change sex don't you, and that a lifetime of medical intervention may not be the best way to make you feel better about yourself".

It's so sad when you see all these stories of people who think that surgery will solve all of their problem, but instead they end up mutilated, and perhaps more importantly with a massively limited potential sexual relationship pool. It's very sad, and I think in a couple of decades there is going to be a huge backlash against the doctors who did this to people.

On one hand we have women who want to be treated as equal to men, which is how it should be, but on the other we have women who refuse this, and want to believe that men are the superior sex,

The only two options available . Males and females are equal OR males are superior. Nothing else.

What if there are women out there who believe that females are biologically superior. Not saying I do, but I've come across women who think like this. Our longevity and relative good health and the fact that females are the original prototype for humanity would suggest this. Plus we know that the Y chromosome is in steady decline but nobody likes to talk about it. Females evolve with each generation but males do not. Women recover better from strokes and use more of their brain and so on.

Was pleased to discover several of my ‘school mum group’ WhatsApp chat group are reading Invisible Women at the moment.
Biological sex affects women so profoundly, doesn’t it?

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You can tell yourself till you’re blue in the face that your body is identical to that of a natal female.

But no natal female will actually believe you. Because it’s clearly not true, as you would know if you took the time to actually listen to women talking about their experiences instead of constantly telling us that our experiences are what you believe them to be.

Weirdly my body is still female with no evidence of any masculine bits despite being long past menopause. Quel surprise!

This whole 'body masculinises at menopause' thing is also making me chuckle.

I sort of see where you might see it like that, on a micro, superficial, secondary characteristic level, in that I'm growing some damn fine whiskers these days.

Still entirely female, though, whatever my peculiar hormone imbalances leading to hirsuteness. I won't be needing a prostate check, for example.

I think if you're a bit unfamiliar with how the female body works you could get a bit confused about this stuff. Not so much if you've inhabited one for 5 decades.

Datun you're a more patient woman than I am - I'm just skipping our new poster's contributions. Can't be arsed.

If they'd come along and said "this is my lived experience, if you're interested about hearing about it, ask", then I would indeed have been interested. But someone coming along and saying "I'm just the same as you, I am, I am, I am, give me my narcissistic supply right now..." Nope, not so interested. In fact not at all interested.

But some of the other posts the resurrection is prompting, particularly the lovely pictures of the whole of the female reproductive system in all its glory - those are worth reading.

I find it astonishing that someone dares to compare a neovagina to my battered old vagina that had to be nursed back to health after the mahoosive head of DD travelled through it. No constructed orifice could stretch to to accommodate that baby, believe me.

If you only knew what I suffer...

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What if there are women out there who believe that females are biologically superior. Not saying I do, but I've come across women who think like this. Our longevity and relative good health and the fact that females are the original prototype for humanity would suggest this. Plus we know that the Y chromosome is in steady decline but nobody likes to talk about it. Females evolve with each generation but males do not. Women recover better from strokes and use more of their brain and so on.

You have probably summed up everything I was trying to explain. The reason people like me exist is the evolution of the human race, in that the Y chromosome is dying out, and eventually the race will consist only of females.

Maybe all of you should think very carefully about what this poster is saying, because in human biology the female is the default, the male evolves from the female, has identical female structure and that is why because of evolution people like me happen.

Many of you are lucky to be able to conceive and give birth to a baby, something I will likely never be able to experience, but give a thought to all the women who are unable to conceive, for whatever reason, and think that just maybe, they might be the result of a similar condition to what I had.

This will be my final post on the matter, now I am going to find out how to delete myself from this place.

I had a DSD, I had a micro penis
You still have a DSD. The surgery didn't make you female. I wish you could have been happy being a man with a DSD. The medical professionals have really let you down.
Anyway that's enough narcissistic supply.

We don't become 'masculinised'

Of course we females don't become masculinised .. the female body can never produce the amount of testosterone that a male body produces at any stage in its life cycle .. the female body is naturally created completely differently from the male body.

See also: www.medscape.com/viewarticle/893280?src=soc_fb_180302_mscpedt_news_mdscp_transgender&faf=1