Ok so someone educate me about neo vaginas **Title edited by MNHQ at the OP's request**

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Because lot of people on twitter appear to think that women piss out of their vaginas.

So with that particular piece of 'advanced biology', what happens with a newly constructed vagina?

And er. maybe some will be disappointed with the plumbing?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

*All cells contain chromosomes. Including XX or XY. In 99% of cases all cells will be XX or all cells will be XY.

You are incorrect.*

The human cell is a homologue. As stated above, they both contain X. They Y is just a junk dna that determines sex at the time the SRY gene activates.

I might just throw this one in for good measure. It's a normal healthy female with XY chromosomes who gave birth to a daughter who also has XY chromosomes.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18000096

You can argue this until the end of time, but nothing is going to change science.

“Hmmmm, maybe you should also learn up on the clitoris too, as there are species that do pee through it.”

There are species that genuinely transition from a maggot into a bluebottle. So what?

Barracker

*This forum is full of women, with female bodies. We know what we are.

We are not your mirror.

Show some respect.*

How rude!

I am a woman, a female, show some respect!

Can someone explain the man made clitoris to me. A clitoris has thousands of nerve endings and is the only organ in the human body designed solely for sexual pleasure. Anyway we know that doctors can't magic nerves out of nowhere so the neovag and it's attending clitoris don't have the raw materials necessary for a functioning clitoris. So how does it work?

Also as previously stated the female orgasm can be clitoris or vaginal or both and can also contract the womb

OK Lucy Amethyst.

Please explain how a human body that naturally develops for the biological function of sexual reproduction to produce the small gamete [sperm] can be surgically altered to produce a human body that develops for the biological function of sexual reproduction to produce the large gamete [ovum].

Thank you.

I am a woman, a female, show some respect!

You stated in your first post that you are male (women don't have scrotal skin)

I might just throw this one in for good measure. It's a normal healthy female with XY chromosomes who gave birth to a daughter who also has XY chromosomes.

Again,

A very small minority of people have disorders of sexual development - these individuals have asked not to be co-opted by the trans movement and I think you should respect that.

Nobody who was born male, with a penis, can claim to know what the female orgasm is like.

Not for the first time I'm with Barracker

While realising I'm contributing to this, I agree with pps that this zombie thread should be left to die as its only use is to provide narcissistic supply.

this zombie thread should be left to die as its only use is to provide narcissistic supply.

Is it obvious enough to lurkers that this individual is talking bullshit? If so, I will happily desist.

I just don't think it's going to be anything like an actual clitoris because it just doesn't have the sheer amount of nerve endings required. Plus loads of nerve endings will be lost in surgery. In light of this I highly doubt that post op transwomen are orgasming from their clitoris

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

"A very small minority of people have disorders of sexual development - these individuals have asked not to be co-opted by the trans movement and I think you should respect that."

You have seriously missed the point.

Go back and look again, the woman in question did not have a DSD, she was born a normal healthy female, a mother who had 2 children, a female who could have been a member of a forum like this, and she had an XY karyotype.

Science is changing, the human being is evolving, previous beliefs about sex and chromosomes are being challenged. You can no longer use the XX/XY as an excuse.

How do you know its a small minority? Have you tested every single female on the planet?

Remember the Sydney Olympics when they tested all female athletes for chromosomes? How many women did they accuse of being male, who NEVER even knew they had a Y chromosome?

Relevant Reddit subs are ‘transgender surgeries’ and ‘neovagina disasters’ if anyone fancies comparing their ordinary, old fashioned xx vulva to the new-fangled kind.

Having looked at quite a few neovaginas, i’m alarmed to observe that the entrance is far, far, closer to the anus than is likely healthy or safe.

Wonder why they are so close together? It makes it obviously not female from the most cursory glance.

Anyway we know that doctors can't magic nerves out of nowhere so the neovag and it's attending clitoris don't have the raw materials necessary for a functioning clitoris. So how does it work?

From what I understand the head of the penis is used to make the clitoris. But since it has something like half the number of nerve endings, it's nowhere near as sensitive and the orgasm is therefore completely different.

Imagine what you do to a penis to produce ejaculation, and what you do to a clitoris.

Many women can achieve orgasm through contracting muscles, without even touching the clitoris.

You have seriously missed the point.

Actually, Lucy Amethyst, it is you who may have "seriously missed the point.

Differences in sexual development [DSDs] are applicable to only females or males.

Read: www.leonardsax.com/how-common-is-intersex-a-response-to-anne-fausto-sterling/

I'm not the thread police just adding my tuppence worth as we all do.

Up to individual posters to decide who will be the "winner" in Narcs V Lurkers: The Zombie Thread Front Hole Apocalypse

Many women can achieve orgasm through contracting muscles, without even touching the clitoris.

Yes. Or they can orgasm just by thinking about it although I know this is rare and most women probably haven't. I'm just musing on how different all women are, how individual our orgasms are, how some are clitoral, some not , how some contract the womb and some don't. I just refuse to believe that any of this can be replicated

sakura184

"I just don't think it's going to be anything like an actual clitoris because it just doesn't have the sheer amount of nerve endings required. Plus loads of nerve endings will be lost in surgery. In light of this I highly doubt that post op transwomen are orgasming from their clitoris"

No, trans women don't have a clitoris, but post-op females do, and they can orgasm. If you want I can prove it to you?

The clitors develops from an outgrowth in the embryo called the genital tubercle. Initially undifferentiated, the tubercle develops into either a penis or a clitoris during the development of the reproductive system depending on exposure to androgens (which are primarily male hormones). The clitoris is a complex structure, and its size and sensitivity can vary.

Research indicates that the vestibular bulbs are more closely related to the clitoris than to the vestibule because of the similarity of the trabecular and erectile tissue within the clitoris and bulbs, and the absence of trabecular tissue in other genital organs, with the erectile tissue's trabecular nature allowing engorgement and expansion during sexual arousal. Ginger et al. state that although a number of texts report that they surround the vaginal opening, this does not appear to be the case and tunica albuginea does not envelop the erectile tissue of the bulb.

The are homologous to the bulb of penis and the adjoining part of the corpus spongiosum of the male and consist of two elongated masses of erectile tissue. Their posterior ends are expanded and are in contact with the greater vestibular glands; their anterior ends are tapered and joined to one another by the pars intermedia; their deep surfaces are in contact with the inferior fascia of the urogenital diaphragm; superficially, they are covered by the bulbospongiosus.

Even if someone had no clitoris, it can be constructed from tissue taken from the internal vestibular bulbs below the surface and retain sensitivity and orgasmic ability.

Yes. Or they can orgasm just by thinking about it

Indeed. 🥂

If we must keep this thread going, how about we follow a PP's suggestion, and start referring to our anatomy as "birth canal" rather than vagina, to underline the fact that it is a functioning part of our reproductive systems?

Birth canals are amazing. They stretch far enough to enable a baby to be birthed, then ping back into place so (after you've recovered from the birth) you can still enjoy sex. Brilliant piece of evolution.

The answer is that it doesn't, sakura184. These genital surgeons do their best but it's inevitable that they can only produce a fairly crude approximation, though I assume they're getting better.

Still, as long as it's penetrable that's probably the important thing for patients, though I gather neovaginas often lose depth quite soon, despite dilation. However people who are suicidally dysphoric may feel just getting rid of their male genitals is worth it, whatever the alternative.

Lets just remember the fact that a male human is genetically more similar to a male Chimpanzee than to a human Female and that no actual Female humans have a prostate gland. Oh and men with surgically created faux-vaginas are not and never will be Female.