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Company selling miniature plastic penises for transboys under 5 years old to wear

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SlowlyShrinking · 23/12/2017 21:04

transkids.biz/products/extra-small-silicone-packers
It’s hard to believe, but apparently this is a real. Apparently they’ve ‘done a lot of research’

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guardianfree · 24/12/2017 09:08

Safeguarding! It has to be a child protection concern for any adult to provide one of these for a child. Sex toys for children are age - inappropriate and anyone providing one of these for their child would be guilty of emotional / sexual abuse.

Missymoo100 · 24/12/2017 09:53

I wonder if the fact that it is described as adult males is because it's actually illegal to make pseudo indecent images of children including replicas i.e. Sex dolls of child likeness- therefore I would assume it's also illegal to make imitation genetalia. I wonder if this would be worth reporting to some authority?

RedToothBrush · 24/12/2017 10:05

A child born in a religious cult which advocates that children can consent to marriage and sex.

A child born in a political cult which advocates children can consent to choosing their genitals.

But hell yeah religious persecution and transphobia.

It's all part of the same mind fuck that cults need for their very existence.

This is not progressive or liberal. This is fucked up.

SlowlyShrinking · 24/12/2017 10:12

‘Your personality doesn’t match your genitals, so therefore you must wear false opposite sex genitals, little girl’

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Thehairthebod · 24/12/2017 10:14

The website is American so don't think there would be anyone to report to.

Backingvocals · 24/12/2017 10:18

I don’t see as much debate over there either. I see lots of well meaning people supporting the bathroom bill - thanks Bruce Springsteen Hmm Only naysayers seem to be the Christian Right.

Not sure who is their Janice Turner - a mainstream voice of woman-centred scepticism.

Missymoo100 · 24/12/2017 10:18

Hairthebod-
It's a shame because I was considering it-
It's getting very close to the line that imitation genitals can be manufacturer for children under this guise.

Missymoo100 · 24/12/2017 10:39

Legislation.gov
A prohibited image is an image which—
(a)is pornographic,
(b)falls within subsection (6), and
(c)is grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character.
Subsection 6
An image falls within this subsection if it—
(a)is an image which focuses solely or principally on a child's genitals or anal region, or
(b)portrays any of the acts mentioned in subsection

Which is why I suspect they say "adult" penis, I suspect they are circumventing the law. It's bordering on illegal, if not already illegal... this is terrible.

Missymoo100 · 24/12/2017 10:42

I think I may look into a little more to see what the American equivalent law is to see if there is anyone this can be flagged up with because this is really going to far

Missymoo100 · 24/12/2017 10:57

" Only naysayers seem to be the Christian Right."

Yes well in the west Christianity used to have some moral bearing, but now in modern times we have decided that humanity knows best.
We have opted into never ending "tolerance" because we've thrown out the rule book. And here are the fruits of what we have to show for it. I think as we move further away from our religious roots we will see more erosion of any kind of moral order.

Tigersteeth · 24/12/2017 10:57

tinycitrus and mentholbreeze
It's more complicated than that really... she doesn't want to do "boy stuff", she just wants to be 'read' as a boy; she wants to inhabit that social role. She doesn't want to be her own sort of girl, she wants the freedom from social expectation that boys have.
The socks were important to her because for her they were the most important symbol of being a boy (slightly crazy asd hyperfocus in action!), they weren't just grey socks.
For a long time she wouldn't touch anything pink, not even paper, because I think she felt if undermined the image she was fighting hard to present. It was crazy, because if she had been a boy, I would have raised her the same; I'm not a gender role rigid parent!
But it started right from preschool: she had a pirate coat, and one of her friends refused to believe it could be hers. "That's a boy''s coat!" My dd replied "no it isn't, it's mine" but it's such an insidious culture..

demirose87 · 24/12/2017 11:03

This is horrible and weird. They look like adult penises in miniature, not what little boys look like. Completely inappropriate.

Gileswithachainsaw · 24/12/2017 11:06

Oh good grief.

Wtf are kids doing at 5 that require a penis real or fake to participate?

Leave them alone ffs

Thehairthebod · 24/12/2017 11:07

Yes well in the west Christianity used to have some moral bearing, but now in modern times we have decided that humanity knows best. We have opted into never ending "tolerance" because we've thrown out the rule book. And here are the fruits of what we have to show for it. I think as we move further away from our religious roots we will see more erosion of any kind of moral order.

It's nothing to do with religion. You don't need religion for 'moral order' or a 'rule book'. In fact some of the worst crimes against children, minorities and women have come from a place of 'religion'.

demirose87 · 24/12/2017 11:08

And why do young children need "package"? Beyond wrong.

ByeByePrivacy · 24/12/2017 11:19

@tigersteeth that’s the best and most honest description I’ve read in a long time. It completely describes the issues for ally of children that rather than just be them they are expected more these days to switch genders to confirm to s society becoming highly gendered.

Missymoo100 · 24/12/2017 11:33

Hairbod

Not speaking about other religions but Christianity.
That's the problem humanity believes that it's "good" we all think we are good people and we are not. Humans are inherently selfish and self serving and seek to do as they please. Look at history... humans are awful, they do evil all the time. Most of the bad things were not "because of religion" (as people like to band about without really thinking about it)but because humans are inherently bad.
Christianity had a positive influence on humanity and civilization that embraced it flourished. One example is it stopped the widespread practice of pedastry- sex with boys which was commonly practiced by ancient Greeks and romans.
It also stopped women being kept as sexual slaves- which was another practice.
What is good is define by society at the time. Otherwise define what is "good"
Humans are prone to group think, they get swept along with whatever movement/practice they perceive to be good at the time... i.e. Slavery, people supporting nazi Germany. People think we're "more civilized now", but why!? Humans haven't changed a jot, we still have the same moral blind spots and always will.
We think we're wise but we are not and will fall because if it- a theme that's repeated throughout the bible.
We have thrown the baby out with the bath water and no doubt will descend further into the swamp.

Missymoo100 · 24/12/2017 11:43

That programme on the sex dolls, there was a thread a few week ago,
The maker of them said "society is more tolerant now, so they will be more open to this" or words similar....
There ya go, you throw out Christianity, let people set there own moral compass and here we are..
A society that will continue to tolerate everything with no discernment. A society that does as it pleases. See where it ends up.

AnachronisticCorpse · 24/12/2017 11:45

That is seriously fucked up.

SlowlyShrinking · 24/12/2017 12:00

I don’t believe transgenderism is because of a lack of Christian values. If it is, how do you explain the deeply conservative American Christian parents who have tg kids? There was a article about a mother who beat her child to try and get him to stop playing with dolls, then read about transitioning and suddenly had a girl in a boy’s body. Just a girl with a medical condition, instead of a gay son.

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Thehairthebod · 24/12/2017 12:03

Wow missy yes nothing bad ever happened under Christianity! 😂

SlowlyShrinking · 24/12/2017 12:04

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58b5b5b6e4b060480e0c4393/amp

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SlowlyShrinking · 24/12/2017 12:05

The above link is to an article called ‘Christian, conservative and parenting a transgender child’

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RebelRogue · 24/12/2017 12:12

Under 5's?
Squishy and really lovely?

Fuck me, there are some really sick people out there.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 24/12/2017 12:17

It's utterly grotesque.

Drugging children, sterilising children, giving them fake genitals, encouraging them to think that their healthy bodies are wrong - this is just child abuse and we have to keep talking, debating and shouting about it.

It looks like Justine Greening has had cold feet and is beginning to realise how toxic the trans agenda is. Please keep writing to you MPs. And for the Scots, please fill in the consultation that the Scottish Government have released.