Feeling sad & weary that feminists & trans women are constantly pitted against one another?

[SmiledWithTheRisingSun]

That's it really.

Instinctively I feel very protective of feminism and all that those incredibly brave women before us achieved. Thanks Nanna 💛

I totally support the idea of protecting women only spaces and don't obviously want a bunch of women-hating rapists in female prisons etc

BUT... surely there's a happy medium to be found ladies?!

Surely there must be reasonable people in the trans community who understand the need to protect all that feminism has achieved?

The same way that I'm a white middle aged woman who doesn't feel the need to demand entrance to a black feminist group. I can support their right to exist without being undermined by it.

What to we call these feminist / trans sympathisers? Please enlighten me wise MNERS.

Love from,
A middle aged feminist who wishes you all peace and love X

One thing that I have realized being on here for a while: feminists really do their homework. I'm a bit of a useless feminist, being lazy and slipshod but you women know your shit.

How many of you find this funny? And agree with it?

Seriously, perfectly?

I was glad that you had stuck around to debate and thought that you were beginning to understand what we were actually saying, rather than what you wanted to believe we were saying.

Then you come out with this??

Have all these pages of explanation really been for nothing?

I'll keep looking

Chortle. Aye lass you do that.

And how is it you perfectlywretched know that this terrible tweet has "over 700 likes" when the screenshot of it does not show the number of likes

And then it occurs to me perfectlywretched that this "the first post" you discovered was unrelated to the thing you were allegedly searching for, was it not?

In fact is it not true that you perfectlywretched are GUILTY, of the crime of believing any old bollocks that people you already agree with posted on the internet?

Okay, I went off to research Twitter and this was the first post I discovered. Over 700 likes.
How many of you find this funny? And agree with it?
Anlaf Sparkles Pencils is this what you stand for?

I'll keep looking.

I thought you wanted a sensible discourse, but dear God, that is absolutely the vilest thing I have evah seen. No wonder feminists are infuriated.

See how that works?

It’s also dangerous, like literal violence and an incitement to hatred.

Have all these pages of explanation really been for nothing?

Always think of the lurkers.

And you may never change the mind of the person you argue with. But you may prime them to think a little differently in future.

Please give yourself permission to think critically on this perfectlywretched, as someone very wise posted somewhere on here or possibly another thread i can't be fannied looking as just spent two full minutes looking to see if poirot had monocle or pince nez

interesting indeed.

100% agree op

Anlaf

I was quite enjoying that scene. I do love a bit of a vintage fainting butler.

So, options are:

Perfectly is what she claims to be - a really naive but well meaning trans ally, for once not plopping but sticking around to try to argue, who just happened to stumble on this tweet while googling something differently, and happened to "know" it had 700 likes despite the screen grab not showing this and the original having been deleted because it came from a fake account

or

Perfectly has been playing the long game, trying to goad one of us into saying something inflammatory or possibly hoping one of us would try to make excuses for supposed transphobic behaviour screenshotted from a fake twitter account (I mean, come on, surely you couldn't be that dumb - that scenario was completely obscene and nothing would justify doing that to a child had the situation been real).

I dunno which it is, but I certainly don't see the point in engaging with Perfectly any more, because either she is irredeemably dense, or she is not in good faith. But hopefully lurkers will have picked up some interesting and thought provoking lines of argument.

A radical feminist would not tweet jokes about abusing a child. And even if they did 700 of their followers would not 'like' the post. The fake tweet is clearly the work of someone trying to silence debate by implying that the debate is about the existence of dicks.

Love the Poirot stuff.

As Poirot always says, beware of the sock puppets who appear immediately after a villain is unmasked.

Aw I did actually think perfectly was posting in good faith. Shame.

trying to goad one of us into saying something inflammatory

Ooh Machiavellian.

Datun

The Mystery of the Ally and the Fake Tweet

As Poirot always says, beware of the sock puppets who appear immediately after a villain is unmasked.

I'd be careful guys. I'm not sure she's really actually dead...

Sadly, not such a funny follow-up as Fatal Attraction was one of the most misogynistic film plots going, and I certainly wouldn't wish that ending on Perfectly. More of a Scooby Doo "And I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling feminists" ending that I was hoping for.

I did say 'ruins'.

That film has a lot to answer for I agree

Sorry I'm probably in hyper-vigilant mode because I'm now worried that the poster in question is just hoping for anything, however tenuous, that they can screenshot and take out of context to use to smear feminists with.

Can anyone remember which website compiles online threats by TRAs? I trawled through the resources thread but couldn't find it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2877199-Gender-Critical-Reference-Thread?pg=1&order=

Sarah Ditum recommended Susan Faludi's Backlash on Fatal Attraction recently, it's v v good and fortuitously was in my pile of books i should get around to reading

books.google.co.uk/books?id=Irp3sOCk5cUC&lpg=PA146&ots=wcEHzbJflH&dq=backlash%20fatal%20attraction&pg=PA146#v=onepage&q=backlash%20fatal%20attraction&f=false

Don't worry prickly we have nothing to hide - and why would they hassle themselves with reading and screen-shotting when they have photoshop and lies on their side?

Thermostat terfisaslur.com

I've been wondering whether our uptick in threads about TRAs is some kind of campaign .

anlaf I love the Poirot scene, well done