This just takes the piss now

[WTAFisthisshit]

LM now on twitter asking for financial contributions to their deadname PayPal account.

I've taken screenshots.

Bloody well done, MsDeerheart. It's not easy speaking up when you know the reaction can be so bad.

Also disappointed with Angela Rayner.

I don't understand women (mainly) accused of being transphobic, trolls and haters for asking reasonable and frankly urgent questions about GRA.

Nobody that I've seen on twitter is particularly rude. Surely to say Transwomen are men is factually correct and to say otherwise is simply disingenuous?

They need to keep repeating the “abuse” mantra to position themselves as poor, vulnerable victims. It’s sick given the amount of actual abuse coming out of their own ranks.

I didn’t really stick my neck out - I had one rational conversation- Angela Ito think takes a bit of time to process and may not be wholly lost I have to say that saying that transwomen are men is taken as rude and offensive and really doesn’t help -it means it’s easier for people to dismiss what you have to say as transphobic- I had to say a number of times that I understood that some people do feel they are in the wrong sex body - I think as Jess Phillips said this needs less heat and more light -

Also that is classic projection complaining about abuse - seen it all the time

I don't think any of us are going to have much luck with UK Labour. And I say that as a member of thirty-plus years.

They have the (white, middle class) youth vote sewn up and they are also drawing a large proportion of the new activists from this demographic. They won't do anything to risk that. And, as we know, this demographic has been thoroughly brainwashed on the gender issue, especially at universities.

This is why the manifesto put £9bn into cancelling student loans and only £2bn into reversing cuts to tax credits and universal credit, which disproportionately affect women. And this is also why they won't be doing anything other than support the trans agenda.

It is what it is. And I very much doubt that Angela Rayner thinks trans-identified males are actually women, or that radfems are evil bigots, any more than we do. It's electoral calculus, I'm afraid.

Having a rational conversation while surrounded by TRAs (in shark infested waters!) is sticking your neck out imo. In a good way!
It deserves praise :)

With regards to Labour I am filing it in things - which is a very long list - that I can’t do much about - to be fair to Angela I heard she want much more money to go on early years - the key to me is opposing self ID and protecting children from going though a process they may regret - it’s the government and key groups such as Stonewall that need to be influenced

MsDeerheart - I think a great many women in authority in Labour are hoping that if they say nothing now, there may be room to say something later on, if and when they win an election. Also, worried about deselections by new activists, so want to keep quiet for the moment.

Now I am cross apparently someone got chucked out of the party as they made LM feel unsafe twitter.com/drradfem/status/940396615008968704

I was just coming to show you that, msdeer!
Appalling.

Yes, Venice Allen! Told to leave by Olivia Bailey (high up in the Fabians) for making Madigan "feel unsafe".

This is beyond a joke.

What?! This is ridiculous! How a feminist be thrown out of a feminist party by other feminists, just for being there?

I don’t understand why she would make Lily feel unsafe? Does she have a history of violence at public events?

Venice can be... difficult afaik. But not violent.

So, on the one hand little general interest in Helen Steel and the angry TRAs and on the other wobbly-bottom-lip Lily getting a Fabian bodyguard for feeling unsafe around Venice Allen.

Jesus wept, this is how it is?

*Allan.

Little interest in Maria McLachlan being beaten up in public by three males, but a lone woman is a threat a a public party. How so?

And we’ve been saying it all along, the “you bigot” and “don’t exclude us” shouting cult throw someone out just for who they are.

Quelle surprise

Venice has never been violent or confrontational as far as I'm aware. Her being removed from a bloody christmas party is disgusting.

Goodness, I'd never heard of this guy. Off to do some more research.

Can someone tell me how you upload an image on here that I have on my computer?

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