Lily Madigan - C4 news tonight

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Just switched over to Channel 4 News and Lily Madigan is going to be on it.

Datun - do you have a reference for this please - @They can no longer claim suicide rates. One trans teen suicide in 10 years according to the Tavistock."

I can't find any data, other than that spewed out by the trans folk.

There have been meetings about using what they call ‘strategic litigation’

I am beginning to think that the need to speak out is NOW. Before MN is taken to court. MN I fear lack the funds to defend us.

If she had then said that although she was a trans woman, she wanted to fight for the needs of every woman, and to be the voice that represents the true issues faced by women, would you feel differently?
I would think that I would mentally give Lily a three month period and see if Lily stuck to her words.

In that three months, if Lily actually worked on with women's groups and appeared in interviews talking about issues and coming up with ideas then I would not feel as I do now about Lily.

No-one can have experience of all women's issues but I would like to think that a good women's officer would do some research, find out the five most urgent women's issues and then start to make connections with other people who had more experience in that area.

For example, say an issue was identified that was, how hard it is for a woman to escape DV when she is financially dependent.

First of all, you could research how a woman currently deals with that situation.

What happens to the women who don't leave and stay living with DV?

Talk to women who have escaped DV and ask them what helped them and what could make the process easier.

Talk to people like the police and social services to get their input.

Find a scheme, maybe a refuge, that works well and see if that could be rolled out nationwide.

Consider what happens to the woman and her children (if she has them) after the initial crisis period. I don't know but I assume that even once you have left and gone into a refuge there is still a lot of work to be done to set you up for the rest of your life.

Sorry, I have gone on a bit there.

So, if Lily genuinely dealt with even just two issues thoroughly and got really involved in making things better for women then I would not be appalled that Lily is a women's officer.

I appreciate that Lily would want to discuss and work on the rights of trans-women as well and I think that in the first few months Lily should put these issues on the back burner.

Once I had seen that Lily was working for all women and not trans-women, then I would let Lily's work speak for itself.

Also I think that Lily could do some amazing work for women, maybe two major projects and then Lily could start on a project for trans-women.

What if you were a woman who has been hideously abused and wanted to speak to someone to plead your case and highlight abuse. What if you were all traumatised and bad terrified to even speak to a man or was of a religion that prohibited you interacting with an unrelated male. How the hell would that work?

I can only imagine who would win that battle. And it wouldn't be the woman.

Terrible typing but you get the gist.

Can't the LGBT post cover trans issues? Why should half the population lose an officer focussed on them?

The LGBT post that was open to Lily to stand for, for instance. This is about transactivism.

Can't the LGBT post cover trans issues? Why should half the population lose an officer focussed on them?

LGB should be separate from T anyway. Given T-ideology erases sexuality completely.

Lily ion the LGBT officer role would be disastrous for LGB people, in particular lesbians.

I watched the interview and then just for fun I googled the Labour job description for Women's Officer.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/labourclp96/pages/1278/attachments/original/1445544799/JobDescriptionn-CLPPWomens_Officer.pdf?1445544799

I bet Lily is just desperate to get away from all this pesky media attention so she can get down to the local mums and baby group

Who cares how she identifies, she isn't actually going to do the job properly is she?

This tells me everything I need to know about the Labour Party.

Sorry, link issues...

Doesn't the fact there are no "Men's Officers" say something? It's because men don't need them; and why is that? What is unique about biological women in our society that necessitates a woman standing up for women and representing their unique needs and issues? Why this wilful blindness?

Haven't watched the C4 news item, but I'm not surprised Cathy Underwood was the interviewer as she's "had the training": www.allabouttrans.org.uk/interaction-with-cathy-newman-channel-4-news/

To quote her from 2013 on this site
^Cathy Newman, Channel 4 News Presenter
It was useful in challenging perceptions, education, suggesting story ideas and what surprised me most was that there is no need to define trans people by their surgery or lack of surgery.^

Who or what is funding this cult? So much of the Twitter support has the whiff of Internet Research Agency bots. Are the prominent social media advocates of "transwomen are women" / GRA being supported financially to promote all this anti-science, anti-women shite?

Why doesn't every interview / article on this subject have the disclaimer "if women were afforded the same intellectual, sexual, social and economic status as men, we would all be talking / reading about something more interesting"

For the previous poster who may be contemplating the source of my terf-y thoughts, it's my pesky lady-brain innit!

Sorry, link issues...
Could you try again to post the link because your photo comes up too small for me to read the text.

For me the main issue with trans-women being real women is that just because a man says he is a woman then he is.

Not so long ago I thought that a man who wanted to be a woman had to live as a woman for a couple of years and then they started hormone treatments and a few years after that they had surgery to transition.

If a man has gone through that process to become a woman then I will respect their wish to be known as she and referred to as her, just like any other woman.

I think I know the answer to this but I just want to make sure that I have got it right.

If, for example, my son told me that he was now a woman and he started wearing a skirt, would he in Lily's opinion now be a woman, just like Lily??

If the answer is yes, then I just can't get my head around the fact that there is no certainty to that decision.

The next day, he could say he was a man again.

If, for example, my son told me that he was now a woman and he started wearing a skirt, would he in Lily's opinion now be a woman, just like Lily??

Yes and saying otherwise deems one a transphobe.

If woman is 'anyone who says they are' then the word is effectively meaningless. I can't know what someone's self perception is, or what they base their claims to 'feel like a woman'. Sex is now a social construct too, leaving aside the nonsense that is gender. It's open to all basically and women can no longer collectively argue for our rights or protest inequalities as the definition becomes so broad that for every 'womanly penis' there is a 'uterus bearer' or 'period haver' who can no longer argue they are being discriminated against on the basis of their sex.

Yes and saying otherwise deems one a transphobe
First of all, my son would never in a million years do this, I was just using him as an example.

What concerns me then is that there is no commitment to a decision like that, woman today, man tomorrow. Whatever suits at the time.

There are quite a few transwomen in their 50s / 60s in the town where I live. One who I see about drives buses in town.

Now, she transitioned years ago and went through the whole process of living as a woman, hormones then surgical transition.

I actually have quite a lot of respect for someone who makes a decision like that, especially considering what it must have been like to transition in the 1980s / 1990s.

I must admit the first time I got on this woman's bus, I was a little bit taken aback because I had never seen a transwoman before (I think I would have said trans-sexual back then).

Now I think nothing of it, she is a nice lady, she drives the bus nicely and is kind to the passengers.

Unfortunately she gets a lot of comments and the like from some people, many teenage boys but just gets on with life and driving the bus.

Personally, yes this lady was once a man but she is now a woman, she had the courage of her convictions and has made a permanent decision.

I cannot wrap my head around the idea that to transition now, all you have to do is say that you have transitioned. I just can't.

That's a great find, prettyusefulsometimes!

It's fascinating to see how the TRAs have worked through so many institutionseducation, health, mediawhile 95% of the population has been unaware. This kind of "media training" might explain why male criminals (without a GRC) are now being reported as women, and not even transwomen.

The Gender Recognition Bill almost seems redundant now that dominant institutions are committed to subjective identity:
what surprised me most was that there is no need to define trans people by their surgery or lack of surgery.

Looking at the website, this organization (All About Trans) is funded by two charities (one set up by a financier, one by a publisher) and the Lottery Fund, and also has had money from BBC and Channel 4.

Unfortunately she gets a lot of comments and the like from some people, many teenage boys but just gets on with life

And that's what people calling Bigot and TERF are probably thinking of -- random abuse of someone going about their ordinary everyday life while looking out of the ordinary.

christinarossetti Only one suicide in 10 years from:
gids.nhs.uk/evidence-base

I think this is the link for the Women's Officer job description:
d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/labourclp96/pages/1278/attachments/original/1445544799/Job_Description_-_CLP_Womens_Officer.pdf?1445544799

Link...

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/labourclp96/pages/1278/attachments/original/1445544799/JobDescriptionn-CLPPWomens_Officer.pdf?1445544799

And bigger pix...

christinarossetti

betsy beat me to it. Thanks Betsy, saved me the trouble of trawling.

Is the thread discussing the background to
Lily's decision to run for the women's officer post still here? I can't see it. If it is and anyone can link, would you please?

I just watched the interview and thought that LM didn't "smash it", unless "smash" now means "rabbit in the headlights"

I hope most 19 year olds are more mature than this, or we really do have a generation of special snowflakes. Just listening to the interview, I would have pegged LM as 15 or 16.

(And someone needs to do an intervention on LM's wardrobe - the same jeans, dungarees, striped T, pink hoodie and Labour scarf worn in rotation....)