Lily Madigan - C4 news tonight

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Just switched over to Channel 4 News and Lily Madigan is going to be on it.

Lily is being used by a faction of Labour activists as a test case to establish a precedent that the Labour Party has decided to use self-ID as the definition of woman before the proposed amendments to the GRA have gone through parliament.

This is the only point. To make it a fait accompli.

Lily is clearly a) too young, b) too thick, c) too vulnerable and d) too self-obsessed to understand Lily's role as pawn. Lily will be discarded as surplus to requirements in due course because it's fairly obvious that there is no intellect or talent for politics there. Actual candidates need actual votes. Nobody promoting Lily now will care when Lily's mental health collapses and Lily inevitably becomes an obvious liability.

Nobody, even those supporting Lily, actually believes Lily is a woman. Nobody.

Storm - if Lily was the kind of person you describe (which would be rather unusual in a 19 year old who was perceived as a boy for most of those years) I would, like some above, not be ranting about the total inappropriateness of the appointment. Lily is wholly unsuitable and playing some kind of game probably manipulated by the pc lunatics in Labour.

Honestly if Theresa May's government were not making such a horrific balls-up of everything I would tear up my Labour Party membership today.

This silly young man as Women's Officer? Fucking disgraceful.

So what else I find interesting is comments from the head of the school who responding to the huff post article he put across a scenario that Lily's sister in particular and mother were extremely upset about Lily and so they were receiving support at a meeting at school which Lily attend.

In his view Lily twisted the words of a staff member at that meeting and used that against the school when Madigan got solicitors involved. Madigan made a claim about being told the Equality act didn't apply - this is a claim denied by the school.

Madigan sounds just awful.

All about Madigan.

Again I really feel for her family.

I watched the interview with my partner last night to gage what he thought, and his eyebrows knotted together and looked at me like and he said "it is obvious that Lily isn't a leader and doesn't belong in politics"

I admit that I am unable to make that kind of detached judgement myself at the moment - I feel too personally invested.

No platforming doesn't necessarily work. The issue is where extreme views are the only ones platformed because the media deems them as somehow representative and that they provoke healthy discussion. Except they don't, they just polarise debate and make it very inarticulate and dumbed down.

Why aren't C4 platforming the other side of the debate? Is it because they are transphobic or is it because it's not sensationalist enough and doesn't drive enough attention? Is it because it's too nuanced and not sound bitey enough because it's not black and white.

The media's job is supposed to present a representative range of views in a democracy. This way extreme views don't get too much air time, and reasonable and considered opinions which reflect the views of society get the airtime they should.

Except they have failed in this, in recent years in pursuit of clicks, viewing figures and revenue instead of journalistic integrity.

It put feminists in the position where in being reasonable in itself gets you no platformed by default. Arguably in this context feminists would have to get loud, shouty, abusive and militant to get platformed a lot of the time. That's really not what I want not would advocate. It is, however, where I see it ending up going. This is what devisive politics does and what the media chasing figures not the story results in.

Go on C4 prove me wrong. Get someone bloody decent on for the other side of this.

"it is obvious that Lily isn't a leader and doesn't belong in politics"

Totally agree with LangCleg - some sort of 'stalking horse'.

I feel awfully sorry for his family. They have stuck to a reality-based view that he is male and are having to watch this nonsense play out on national TV and radio. The school business must have been bad enough.

I do wonder if someone once told him he looked vaguely like Cameron Diaz and it sent him a bit funny.

As far as I could tell, Lily wasn't wearing make-up, she'd not even plucked her eyebrows, she wasn't dressed in particularly feminine clothes. I couldn't care less what women or transwomen wear but I just thought it was interesting.

What? That was a face full - foundation, mascara, eyeshadow, lip colour - not the eyebrows, you're right, and not hair done (although cut), but plenty of makeup! And TBH, hoodie/t-shirt/jeans is pretty much universal wear, male or female isn't it? At least in my circles.

They showed a still earlier on in the interview where lilly was at a podium with a young labour poster behind, wearing what seems to be the same outfit, but possibly with longer hair so possibly not that day - and the pink hoodie has been worn before. I think that's the least indicative bit to me - when I was that age, I didn't have any 'smart' clothes, and I had basically one outfit that I considered my 'public' outfit - the one that I felt was the most presentable - I suspect that that's what Lilly's done.

She seems to wear the pink hoodie all the time.

Why is Lily getting so much publicity? I mean, this is a branch office of the Labour Party. Is it because Lily is 19 and trans - or would a 19 year old woman get the same publicity? Are there any 19 year old women (or men) in similar roles? (Excluding Mhairi Black who was an active party member studying a politics degree and obviously an MP not a branch officer).

I am curious why Lily is on C4 in the first place.

I am also uncomfortable with the personal nature of the discussion, it is just awful for everyone involved - but really, the grown ups in the Labour Party should be sorting this

I did watch on my computer, so I might be wrong about the make-up.

Yes, hoodie and jeans is universal. I dress like that all the time - but it's not particularly feminine. I also thought it was ironic that Lily had spent so much energy campaigning for the right to wear a skirt to school (which, btw, I'm quite on board with - wear whatever you like in my opinion) and then wore jeans in all the pictures.

I suppose I'm saying, that I know a bit about how the media works and I would be very surprised if anything about that whole interview was 'off the cuff' from her outfit, to her hair and make-up, to her responses to the questions.

I don't think it was off the cuff either. It was very careful.

Wow, poor Siobhan on Twitter is hammered on the Kool Aid.

So many of these girls!

Cliche alert!

I've always known on a subconscious level - makes no sense whatsoever.

Debate not hate - makes no sense whatsoever.

No platforming - non consistent and mostly only applied to men who object to it.

@Thehairthebod fabulous response on Twitter from ‘Claire’

Lily will be discarded as surplus to requirements in due course because it's fairly obvious that there is no intellect or talent for politics there

If Lily does get the boot, then before it happens there'll be a search to identify who needs to be found to be to blame. The best target be far will be "a campaign of abuse coming from the bad feminists". That's why I think it's wise to tread carefully with this issue.

Lily can not admit she is not up to the job. Through pride or through loyalty to 'the cause'. Lily's only way out is through a break down.

You think someone hasn't made this calculation?

He is someone’s useful idiot. He will break down and become a martyr to the cause. I still don’t know who is funding this though.

Watched this just now and I actually felt a bit sorry for the little twerp.

Cathy Newman was asking the questions neutrally and kindly but still looked like she could eat him for breakfast.

Hilarious that he still lives at home, and his parents still think he's a boy.

"God mum, you're so EMBARRASSING!"
"OK Liam, just remember to let the cat out, won't you. And if you want that lingerie washed you'll have to do it yourself."

I don’t feel sorry for him at all. As some have pointed out he’s an adult who could be fighting wars if he wasn’t such a precious poppet.

He needs a good slap, all that dreadful makeup wiped off and sending to bed with no supper.

'Cathy Newman was asking the questions neutrally and kindly but still looked like she could eat him for breakfast.'

She did. I was wondering what was going through her head while she was doing the interview. I would imagine she's as horrified by this flaming nonsense as we are

I definitely got the feeling Cathy hadn't bought into this movement. Reassuring :)