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Trans Widows escape committee

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TinselAngel · 01/12/2017 15:55

This is a second attempt to start a thread for women who have been, or are still in unhappy relationships with Trans partners.

Having got out of a marriage to a man who transitioned shortly after we split, it would be good to be able to support others in a similar situation.

I know there's a few of you out there?

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Pythagonal · 03/08/2018 20:56

Hobgoblin27

Flowers.

Farinthepast · 03/08/2018 21:30

I don't know what services are like in your area and now (because my experience was a long time ago), but initially I had a community psychiatric nurse who came to my home. What does your doctor know about your situation to be able to refer you to the right service? Just having the ability to talk about everything to somebody who isn't going to judge you will help you immensely.

How linked is your agoraphobia to your husband's behaviour?

Hobgoblin27 · 03/08/2018 21:43

@Farinthepast I had an "assessment" and because I wore "weather appropriate clothes" and because outwardly, I keep it together, I was told I'm not "bad enough" to warrant help. I had a breakdown last year and BEGGED the crisis team to help me, but nothing. I'm alone.

heresyandwitchcraft · 03/08/2018 22:10

Hobgoblin27
Flowers

I am so sorry. I have no good advice, but please remember that there are phonelines for emotional support if things get bad.
SANEline is one that's open every evening:
www.sane.org.uk/what_we_do/support/helpline

Here are some other resources to telephone support.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/guides-to-support-and-services/crisis-services/telephone-support/

Hobgoblin27 · 03/08/2018 22:18

@heresyandwitchcraft thank you ❤️

Farinthepast · 03/08/2018 23:24

Oh lovely, please try again to get the help you need, even if that does mean you have to break down some of the wall that you've had to build around yourself to keep going for so long Flowers

IamEarthymama · 04/08/2018 07:03

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IamEarthymama · 04/08/2018 07:04

Oh wrong thread my lovelies!
So sorry

Love to you all xx

Datun · 04/08/2018 07:55

Sorry I went on, and sorry if it didn't make sense! There's so much i have left out, but it's hard to type it all out, it's hard to ADMIT it all happened. It's hard to know I was so weak.

Hobgoblin27 my dear girl, you come across as anything but weak.

And your confusion, wondering if it's you, thinking you might be able to accommodate the entire issue, seems to be an incredibly common reaction.

It's sooo outside normal experience that, of course, one would be constantly questioning and challenging oneself.

If one is being lied to, then one's entire basis for living shifts. You can't really deal with stuff, on even the most mundane level, if you are consistently reacting to something that's simply not true.

And then uncovering the truth, learning the implications and having the mental room to assess it, sounds positively Herculean.

And exhausting. Reliving it, rewriting it, reassessing. It's only surprisingly that you have the capacity to write about it so eloquently.

I don't know if you know where the phrase gaslighting originated (I believe).

From an old black-and-white film called Gaslight. Where the villain was trying to drive the heroine insane by secretly turning up, yes the gas light. And then asking her, why she kept doing it.

You watched her doubt herself and, incrementally creep towards instability. Whilst he appeared plausible and in control.

Although it has the name gaslight now, at the time, despite the term not yet being coined, the phenomena was clearly well known. And, I suspect, instantly recognisable to women everywhere.

This thread is, in my opinion, one of the most important threads we've ever had. Certainly whilst I've been posting.

The experiences that you've all had contain so many commonalities, the veracity is indisputable.

I know, beyond doubt, that it is having an effect. On several different levels.

And I hope with all my heart that it is having a positive affect on the women who contribute to it.

Flowers
Datun · 04/08/2018 07:56

*effect

birdbandit · 04/08/2018 09:54

Bloody hell Hobgoblin, that's rough.

For a starter, you know it's him, and not you that's cracked, don't you?

He's clearly done a number on you, but you CAN get back from this.

You feel that all avenues of help are gone, because he has made you reliant on him, his approval, and now you feel you need others to help fix this. He has made you feel that way because it suits his fetish and story.

You have yourself.

You were that woman who survived giving birth to a child who you knew you had lost. You went on to have more children. You managed to get out, divorce him. That's bloody brave stuff there.

The counselling service didn't recognise that you needed help, that's grim. However take from that, they could see that you could wear weather appropriate clothes, you could make it out. They saw in you that braveness, that resilience.

Don't let him "win" by playing the role he has assigned for you.

I got immediately so much better the minute I stopped giving a rats about other people's interpretation of my situation. When I stopped looking out for support, and when I started to be kinder to myself, seeing the value in the small steps I was able to make towards the life I want.

Other people's "help" isn't all it's cracked up to be. That's a positive! Be your own support system/best friend.

I predict that once you start digging your way out of this hole, when you an embrace the positive, you will find that folk come along to help. That's great, but don't wait for them and don't expect them to do your digging.

Good links from previous poster about support helplines. You can do this!

BarryTheKestrel · 04/08/2018 12:03

I don't have any direct experience of what you ladies have been through but I want to add my support.

My best friends Dad is AGP and she cut him off when her mum decided to leave him when she was around 18. It destroyed their family for many years and 10 years later her mum, someone who has been a constant in my life for 20+ years is finally starting again. I am proud of them for getting through it all together and for gathering the courage to leave him and his abuse behind.

The world isn't as rosy as these activists make out and the AGP and Trans worlds seem to have very little regard for those hurt and abused in the process. I know the truth and support you all 100%. Your stories are harrowing and I'm so glad you're making it through and out the otherside.

Hobgoblin27 · 04/08/2018 14:32

@birdbandit
I will say, within WEEKS my anxiety (crippling anxiety that was constant 24/7) dropped, and now, although I still have my days, I'm NOWHERE near as bad as it was!

Farinthepast · 04/08/2018 22:04

Birdbandit is right that ultimately nobody else can make your life better for you apart from yourself because how we view what is happening to us has a huge impact on our wellbeing.

I'm assuming that your husband is cross dressing and isn't out as trans so that's why people can't understand why you've left him? Have you told any of the people closest to you why you've separated or are you carrying this secret all by yourself?

I can understand if you feel restricted about who you tell because friends and family won't necessarily know how to react without judgement (and you then have to manage their responses on top of your own or worry about them gossiping), so trying to get some professional help is a better option to help you get your thoughts in order to help yourself. If that's not possible, have you ever tried journalling?

You can, and you will, get through this!

Hobgoblin27 · 04/08/2018 22:23

@Farinthepast
One or 2 know "bits" but not all of it. I don't think I'd deal with the "why didn't you leave sooner" or "well this/that/maybe" he isn't out as trans (he wanted to at one point, although didn't admit it!) he got sucked into the whole "hormones" to get boobs... I obviously brought him back to reality! I'm not sure my kids know, but they're not stupid. My youngest confided she'd seen pics on his phone of him dressed. I played it down a little. If my eldest found out and he told her I left BECAUSE of that, it would be the end of our "non existent" relationship.
He kept telling me "you'll never have the bond with "eldest" like you do the other 2" (I suffered bad from PND) and after the 3/4th time of him saying it, I asked if he'd said that to her, he said "yes! I've told her she'll never have the bond with you like the other 2"... I went nuts, and he said "ohhhh I KNEW it would be MY fault"... he just doesn't see the damage HE has done.

Farinthepast · 04/08/2018 23:32

He sounds like a narcissistic bully and I'm sorry he's doing this to you and your children. None of you deserve this.

I know it is of little comfort but, whilst he may be damaging your relationship with your children now, that narcissism may cause them to turn to you ultimately. You will always be there for them.

You are not at fault because you cannot accept his sexual fetish.

QuinnMovesOn · 05/08/2018 01:50

I just want to say that having this thread here is a real help to me. I'm coming up on my one year divorce anniversary from my trans husband and it's still hard to deal with this. I was able to get out of the marriage fast but I'm still dealing with the emotional baggage of all of this. Just hoping it'll get easier by the next divorce anniversary.

TransplantsArePlants · 05/08/2018 08:23

I want to send love and strength to all of you who are sharing your stories here.

This thread makes sense of an ex-old-friend. so much of his behaviour is echoed here. When I knew him he was just plain old selfish and a bit of a user. I thought he fancied me at one point but it later transpired he was taking style tips because how he dresses now is how I used to dress. He left behind an amazing wife whose self-confidence he decimated, whose boundaries he pushed, whom he persuaded to re-locate away from her support systems, to a place where he could find himself. He did this all step-by step and I always wondered how much of it was consciously planned.

He's now a pig in clover and posting endless pictures on social media of him being a really cool chick in a male-dominated arena.

TinselAngel · 05/08/2018 10:52

@QuinnMovesOn it does get easier, I only notice it's my wedding anniversary now when Facebook reminds me. I'm 5 years on. The first year was definitely the worst.

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birdbandit · 05/08/2018 11:57

Tinsel how are you doing now it is all over the rolling news?

I go from finding it all way too much, to feeling elated that maybe folk might soon "get it" and see the sex/fetish/abuse/grim behind the lipstick.

Are you over it emotionally and able to deal with it all academically?

And your family?

TinselAngel · 05/08/2018 22:04

I'm fine really Bird. I think the whole experience of the breakdown of the relationship damaged me in some subtle, pernicious ways that I'll never get over (mainly anxiety related), but who hasn't been damaged by failed relationships?

I get frustrated with "TWAW" because I know it for the lie it is, based on my own lived experience.

As for my ex, mainly these days I just feel sorry for him. He'll always be the father of my DD, but he's a very small part of my life now.

And I've got a great big bearded hulk of a boyfriend, who could never pass as a woman if his life depended on it! (And wouldn't want to, thank goodness).

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QuinnMovesOn · 06/08/2018 16:58

Tinsel, I just have to say, my ex WAS a big bearded hulk of a guy! Who now is a big hulk of a woman with breasts and a wig. Who says she is happy with how she looks now, and is especially "delighted" with her new breasts (AGP?)

TinselAngel · 09/08/2018 23:59

@QuinnMovesOn 😬

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VoleClock · 10/08/2018 12:28

I want to say a big thank you and send hugs and support to all those of you who have told your stories here, especially to Hobgoblin27 whose posts have left me with a tear in my eye. This thread has been a real eye opener for me. I remember back in the day (70s 80s) when many men had long hair, wore flamboyant clothes and used make up - I thought it was fun and helping to break down gender stereotypes. And later when I cam across the odd story of cross dressing, I thought that was much the same thing and mentally cast myself in the role of understanding cool girl and not one of those uptight wives. Telling your experiences shows the pattern, exposes how AGP is much darker and how awfully self centred and abusive these men can be are. Flowers to all the widows out there.

heathspeedwell · 14/08/2018 18:05

I wanted to voice some support for the brave widows on here and wish you all the best for the future. I also wanted to share an experience from 20 years ago that had some similarities. Despite being an incredibly difficult time, it had a happy ending. In the current climate I'm not sure that things would have ended so well.

Back when we were both in our final year at university, my partner suddenly became gender questioning. We were very close and he had never previously mentioned any dysphoria. It may have been triggered by his close involvement with our SU which was heavily LGBT-led.

He revealed that he was aroused by wearing my underwear. Generally he was impressively good at everything, so I was shocked at how poorly-observed his idea of being female was. I desperately wanted to support him and would have done anything to help, but I really struggled to think he looked sexy when he was en femme.

We'd been together four years, I had never had sex with anyone else and had assumed that I never would. But in light of his problems, and the suicide risk, what I wanted didn't seem important to either of us.

He wanted us to be lesbians and to have sex with other lesbians. I felt anguished knowing it was unlikely that many lesbians would want to sleep with a strapping 6 foot 3 man.

Eventually we did have a threesome, and (in contrast with all the porn he enjoyed) it turns out that the other girl and I enjoyed it much more than he did. It just made things more tricky and so I suggested that we split up. He threatened to kill himself if I left him, attempted a couple of times and at one point tried to cut his penis off. There's nothing worse than hurting someone you love and I felt horribly responsible.

It's only now, writing this, that I can see his behaviour wasn't just self abuse but also abusive to me.

Fortunately we moved to another city after graduating and he finally got some good counselling. The clinic he'd previously attended had done little to help him apart from reinforcing dated stereotypes. The new clinic helped him to see that although he was suffering from depression, his body was perfectly fine as it was.

We are still in touch to this day and he is profoundly glad he didn't go through with gender reassignment. For him it was like a harmful addiction.

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