R4 Today programme have an item on later about children and gender dysphoria.

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Looking forward to hearing this.

While we're all off discussing trans issues we're not discussing why so many kids feel depressed and suicidal.

Exactly.

You’re not allowed to discuss trans matters unless you are trans. But you can represent women if you are a man. Breathtaking arrogance.

This too.

The reddit thread is bizarre really. More towards the end, with the activists deciding that it was fake and really just an infiltration of 'terfs' because of course, noone ever really wants to detransition and noone really questions the speed with which children are shoved onto blockers and such

It seems to be becoming harder and harder for them to pretend 'regretters' do not exist. Doesn;t help with prominent experts speaking on the topic freely now either. The tide is turning. I just feel sorry for all of the kids who have been caught up in it all and are now sterile and pretty fucked up.

Oh dear Lord
mobile.twitter.com/ProfRWinston/status/926033969975562246

Quentin agreed. Tho great to see some sensible people supporting facts on the Twitter feed too.
It’s seeming more and more like blasphemy if anyone dares to ask what could go wrong or point out some facts.
Which is a very scary climate when it comes to medical decisions for children which could affect their lives in childhood and adulthood permanently. What happened to trying to protect children’s right to an open future?

I’m struck by the fact that he is not being treated to the sort of vitriol that women are treated to when they question the ideology.

Although they are picking holes in his terminology and telling him he’s not qualified to talk and knows nothing, he’s not getting the usual threats and insults.

Datun I read that feed last night and thought yep no one's yet threatened to punch or rape him, or suggested he should be dead.

Or indeed suggested he should lose his job at Imperial College or no longer appear on the BBC. Funny that

It is interesting. Helpfully underlines the latent misogyny of most of the abuse.

And funnily enough, they haven’t picked apart his physical appearance and suggested that the only reason he is complaining is because he can’t get laid. Followed up by who’d want to lay him anyway.

The comparisons with what Jenni Murray had to put up with are stark.

He’s dodging both the standard misogyny, and also the narcissistic rage that women provoke, simply by being the thing that AGPs desperately want to be but know they never can.

He’s dodging both the standard misogyny, and also the narcissistic rage that women provoke, simply by being the thing that AGPs desperately want to be but know they never can.

Very insightful. And I hate to say, but this is why we do need men to speak out.

I was reading some comments on LRW Twitter and think I must have entered some parallel universe with Transwomen boasting about their girl cocks and advocating violence against TERFs - these people really hate women!!! They don’t want to be women they want to erase us!!(sorry overuse of !!) - is this really tge Brave New World we like live in? Are these views widespread? Also as an aside has there been any research into any links between teens with ASD identifying as Trans?

Ollycat

Yes those views are widespread. This is what happens when you allow fetishist cross dressers, who hold misogynistic views, to come under the umbrella of transgender.

And yes, autism is overly represented in the trans-community.

Ok so it’s ok for these transwomen to advocate and encourage actual violence (as in real proper violence) against women and society supports these people but if someone mentions Biology or misgenders someone then this is classified as violence and the whole world is in uproar. And we’re passing laws to support this.

So basically the plan is to erase women? Not just shut us up but to actually get rid of us? Or am I over reacting???

(I am v concerned about the over representation of teens with ASD identifying as trans)

You will be saddened to hear that you have understood correctly Ollycat.

As if the situation wasn't already bad enough, any attempt to research into links between trans and ASD or mental illness would be shut down like nobody's business. Doing research into that in the present climate is a potential career destroyer.

I’m a pro-gay marriage liberal (just stating since some people assume this is all pearl clutching) but gender ‘treatment’ for children utterly terrifies me. As a teacher I saw at least 50% of reception teacher verbally or through dressing up explore the idea of being the opposite gender. I honestly think it’s a normal stage.
Add to that, that 80% of young people presenting to gender clinics go on to transition normally through the original sex puberty.

I’m not at all saying there aren’t a small handful of children with issues that will pervade to adulthood. But my first, second and third step would be to a) say it’s normal and b) get therapy c) question if I have given any wrong messages about gender stereotypes.

Back to the BBC, there was a strange article on their website a couple of weeks ago about people who are asexual. It included a quotation by a 16 year old teenager who said they are asexual. Many 16 year olds do not yet have strong sexual feelings, particularly if they are late going through puberty. Are they now meant to think that they are asexual and can look forward to a happy and fulfilled life, but without sex.

Maybe this is now being put forward as an option so that it seems more normal to those who transition and have surgery that leaves them with no sexual function.

Primaryteach87
One of the problems is that the DfE have directed schools straight to transgender activist organisations for information, training etc. If you look at the DfE equality guidance for schools it links schools to an information page for GIRES that invites schools to contact them directly. And thus the gaslighting begins as the GIRES training packs are littered with fake suicide statistics, supposed 'facts' that children should begin puberty halting drugs BEFORE puberty starts "early intervention is the key", suggestions that GP's should be ignored if they suggest someone waits and that if someone stops taking puberty blockers, puberty will just resume.
There's also some very undermining stuff about parents and families - roleplays stating that parents are wrong if they 'misgender' their child and dismissing their support for over 16s. IAll aimed at those working with children - it is truly awful when you unpick what they're saying but the DfE have been cheerfully sending schools their way without a hesitation.

Maybe this is now being put forward as an option so that it seems more normal to those who transition and have surgery that leaves them with no sexual function.

A thread yesterday linked a video by Jazz Jennings who has this issue and a comment said 'remember there's nothing wrong, it's just another identity!'

It's not a desirable identity and many of the commenters avidly supporting this also mentioned living all the time with being suicidal. This is going to be seen in 100 years time as the Western World's revisiting of the Salem Witch Trials. Supposedly normal, sensible professionals and leaders being completely sucked in by hysteria, led by vulnerable teenagers and their hangers on, hanging and destroying anyone who dared name the madness or was accused by the hysterics as being an enemy, and massive social contagion. A period of utter, terrifying, illogical madness.

Are they now meant to think that they are asexual and can look forward to a happy and fulfilled life, but without sex.

There's no need to worry Hopfunko. Apparently, asexuality includes people who have sexual desire, who choose to have sex to fulfill that sexual desire, but are not sexually attracted to anyone in particular. Rather, their style is to just grab whoever is convenient to scratch that itch. Apparently, one acknowledged form of asexuality is promiscuity.

In summary, asexuality includes people who are promiscuous and people who as children were permanently chemically castrated so they would never feel desire.

Maybe asexuality has always meant this stuff. Maybe we've always been at war with Eastasia.

This is an interesting research article about gender development in children
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3747736/

And this article is what I thought the understanding of gender was. Young children might think they are a girl or a boy but they also think they could change in the future, they have no concept of permanence.
www.iflscience.com/brain/when-do-children-develop-their-gender-identity/

Interesting articles. Way back in 2010, when scientific study meant something!!!

In the meantime, we have US gender "specialists" suggesting that Girl toddlers are taking hair slides out know they are really boys, and that boys in babygros unsnap the poppers to make them into skirts because they know they are actually girls. I am not kidding.

4thwavenow.com/2016/09/29/gender-affirmative-therapist-baby-who-hates-barrettes-trans-boy-questioning-sterilization-of-11-year-olds-same-as-denying-cancer-treatment/

I would quite like to know what Prof Winston thinks about this
womb transplants