Two more women attacked by trans activists

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At least two more feminists have been attacked by trans chauvinists today, set upon while they were handing out leaflets at the Anarchist Book Fair. One is Green Party candidate Olivia Palmer and the other a trade union rep Helen Steel

A trans woman is anyone who feels like they've transitioned in any way to womanhood!

I was a girl and then transitioned to womanhood. Does that count? It was a difficult, emotionally-charged, hormonal transition through my teenage years, if that makes a difference!

I definitely went through a lengthy and awkward process into womanhood, involving real bodily changes and hormone treatment along with having to adjust to society's altered view of me and how I presented myself.

Fuck, I'm a transwoman!

some of those famous images of circumgender women holding up signs or emblazoned with tattoos reading "die ciscumgender trans scum

What the what, now? Famous images? Really? What like the image of the little girl in Vietnam, or the soldier kissing the woman in Times Square, or Marilyn's skirt blowing up?

Who are these people with tattoos reading "die ciscumgender trans scum"? Has anyone ever seen one? You'd have to choose a fairly big body part to fit all those words on...

'Ada Wells is is also heavily involved in Edinburgh Anarchists, all that time at that expensive private school will have given him all the skills to be a true anarchist, but then, anarchy has always been for and about wealthy men.'

Funny you should say that, I've never met an anarchist who wasn't a former public school boy.

'How are they more (or even equally) as marginalised as the homeless, or the disabled, for example? Where does the oppression actually come in?'

Coincidentally, I've just got home after a meeting of a organisation I work with who are launching a campaign for more inclusivity in a particular environment. Two of the three groups mentioned as being the most marginalised were disabled people and the hidden homeless. (The third was asylum seekers). Within this organisation, trans people are very well represented and very vocal, way beyond the percentage of the population they represent.

How interesting! Women identifying as trans women and the outrage

Does this AFAB transwomen initiative mean that AFAB transwomen also get the higher testosterone threshold in sports/Olympic events? That would level the playing field somehat. I like it!

(Although I suspect those pesky Olympic Committee folks will only allow so much evening up cheating & will resort to biological essentialism to ensure that only AMAB transwomen get all the medals in the women’s events.)

Pissedoffhadenough

Yes, it deals with a lot of young people.

This is but the latest (but perhaps the most gross) incident of trans activists insisting that people born as men (but now identifying as women) should be allowed access to women only space. Anyone who doesnt agree with them is attacked,physically and verbally. In Helen's case her leaflet was torn up and she was pushed by a gang. They say that disagreing with them is tantamount to fascism and is in itself violent. They have to say it is "fascist" because that is the only set of views that people believe it is legitimate to not allow- to "no platform". Trans activists frequently close down and attack meetings of women who dont agree with them- Linda Bellos, Germaine Greer, Sheila Jeffrreys.
The other aspect of this trans agenda is to demand that women dont refer to their womanness- that it is women who give birth, breast feed, have abortions etc etc. This undermines much of mumsnet's important work

If I identify as circumgender, does that mean the NHS will pay to remove my chin hair?

Grannyd47

You sound like you were there, is that the case? Can you elaborate?

I'm transitioning through perimenopause. It's a tough journey.

I'm sick of all this bullshit. I know you're pointing out the utter ridiculousness of it all and the sheer lack of fact and reality, but I'm so fucking tired of this fight. It gets us nowhere. No mainstream media coverage of Speakers Corner nor this latest one - no tv report, no panorama reported saying "hang on Joe Public, can you not see what's being passed through Parliament?"

It's all very tiring and futile and it's getting us nowhere.

I dunno, CisMyArse, I think there is a little bit of movement. I've raised it in several of the organisations I am involved it, and haven't (yet) been expelled from them - both are nice organisations full of liberal types who are really genuinely wanting to be progressive, but who don't know enough about it all to realise how regressive, misogynistic and homophobic a lot of trans activism is. I've been pleasantly surprised! (And I realise "not getting expelled from progressive organisation for saying progressive things" is a pretty low bar for being pleasantly surprised, but I'll take it nonetheless.)

CisMyArse

Don’t lose heart. The incident at speakers corner opened the floodgates.

And yes, at the moment, the water is trickling through. But the gates are now open.

People are speaking up. But more importantly, people are less frightened to speak up.

Keep angry, keep talking, keep informed. Keep writing to MPs. Talk to friends.

The tide is turning.

Trans activists are not the problem. Violent people are.

KarateKitten

Trans activists are not the problem. Violent people are.

That’s like saying men aren’t responsible for male violence, violent people are are.

How many transactivists are you aware of who are not violent?

Trans activists are not the problem. Violent people are.

That directly echoes "guns are not the problem, people are". And is as much use in analysing the problem.

The problem is that in both cases people are enabled to be violent. And in both cases, the enabling factor needs to be considered.

Violent 'transactivist' men are the problem. Their sex is not irrelevant, as men are responsible for the vast majority of violence, both against women and against other men; it's not helpful (or feminist) to pretend it's all just done by 'people'.

Their motivation isn't irrelevant either, as the 'TERF' slur is used to dehumanise women and justify violence (and of course trans-identifying men can claim what they're doing isn't male violence against women).

z

You nodded off assigned?

LOL Datun. Was testing but on wrong thread. Couldn't post an amzon link for some reason, weird

That's the thing. This would all feel like two bald men arguing over a comb, on the Internet, if it weren't for an actual bill to be presented in Parliament, actual children taking chemotherapy drugs for a cultural and mental health problem. And now actual women getting punched in the face.