Two more women attacked by trans activists

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At least two more feminists have been attacked by trans chauvinists today, set upon while they were handing out leaflets at the Anarchist Book Fair. One is Green Party candidate Olivia Palmer and the other a trade union rep Helen Steel

Betty184

This comment on there...

I'm sorry that Helen S. is a long time comrade of some people, but tbh you need to get over that, and look at the shit she is spouting right now about some of the most fucked over marginalised people in society. Trans people are - at massive personal risk - taking a lead in confronting these people and asserting their right to do pretty basic shit like take a piss safely. Anyone who can't stand behind this, rather than taking issue with the exact correct words being used needs to fuck off.

Yet again, the lack of self awareness is astounding.

asserting their right to do pretty basic shit like take a piss safely

Women also want to take a piss safely. Away from men. Is this really that much to grasp? Yet women 'asserting their right to do pretty basic shit like take a piss safely' are denounced as TERFs, told they are commiting 'literal violence' for voicing these views (and 'literal violence' is clearly much worse than actual violence, which is being committed against these same women who are simply 'asserting their right to do pretty basic shit like take a piss safely') and are basically the devil.

Surely they must see the holes in their arguments...they simply have to see..they are glaring

From the emptycagescollective facebook post...

Women's lives and women's services are in crisis in the UK. Defending these services, for example, would be a better use of feminist energy.

Erm, thats exactly what the 'terfs' were doing? They realise womens lives and serivces are in crisis. More specifically, female only areas of life. Them acknowledging the risk and pushing back/defending against it...is apparently wrong. How does this tally?!

The knots people tie themselves in whilst trying to explain why it is bad for feminists to centre females instead of males are astounding..

The knots people tie themselves in whilst trying to explain why it is bad for feminists to centre females instead of males are astounding..

This.

How very anarchist and progressive for the emptycagescollective to be the ones to decide what feminists put their energy into!

Women! Liberate yourselves from coercive collective control through anarchism! Here's our instructions on how to do this - be sure to follow them exactly, or we will organise a mob to come and beat you up.

TRAs seem to be constantly describing themselves as 'the most marginalised' or 'the most oppressed' in society.

What exactly do they mean by this? How are they more (or even equally) as marginalised as the homeless, or the disabled, for example? Where does the oppression actually come in?

The only example that ever seems to be given (for the UK) is toilets. But not being granted access to the toilet of your choice, when you can still use the appropriate toilet for your biological sex, is nothing like being a wheelchair user and finding that there is no accessible toilet at all!

Are men's toilets really a hotbed of violence? If so, where are the campaigns to address male violence and make men's toilets safer for all men?

It’s about being shouted at in the street and murdered. Despite the fact that less than one trans person per year is murdered in this country. And in fact transitioning actually reduces your chance of being killed.

So then you’re left with abuse.

But that is impossible to quantify, when stating biology is literal violence.

Ada Wells is is also heavily involved in Edinburgh Anarchists, all that time at that expensive private school will have given him all the skills to be a true anarchist, but then, anarchy has always been for and about wealthy men.

"Was it verbal abuse, or was it violence?"

Same thing, isn't it

" look at the shit she is spouting right now about some of the most fucked over marginalised people in society. " Who, despite being fucked over and marginalised have managed to drive government policy and effectively silence great swathes of the population.....

Truly marginalised people don't have time, energy or financial resources to be able to navel gaze, spend half their time on social media and attend a thousand different rallies and protests, because they are just trying to get on with living day to day.

Oppression means (according to the dictionary) prolonged cruel or injust treatment or exercise of authority. Synonymns include tyranny, subjugation, enslavement and exploitation.

The requirement of service is usually involved. Patriarchy and misogyny definitely involves a more powerful body (men) requiring service from women and resenting limitations set on it. So definite subjugation and exploitation.

Really not sure how trans people are subjugated or how anyone (particularly biological women, who lets face it are the ones all the anger, hatred, rape and death threats are aimed at, you never see anger towards men and their male violence despite their being the ones who commit as far as I know all of the assaults and murders against trans people) are demanding service from trans people?

However the GRB and TRA materials definitely are about demanding services from biological women, and subjugation comes in the form of 'we're all women, but this is the hierarchy and transwomen come above biological women'.

Of course they’re not oppressed. As you say, it requires exploitation of some description and material gain for the oppressor.

No one is trying to gain anything from trans-people. Least of all women. There is literally nothing to exploit.

There are some medical professionals exploiting trans people for gain, but that seems to be being overlooked.

Just look at this transphobic bigot trying to erase my transwomanhood. Circumgender my arse. This is literal violence I tell you.

SecretHandshake

PLEASE tell him he’s invalidating you and it’s not up to him to assign a label to you that you don’t identify with

I'd never heard of 'circumgender', so googled and found this

A trans woman is anyone who feels like they've transitioned in any way to womanhood! The term is open to anyone who chooses to self-identify as a trans woman. The fact that I don't have a "typical" history of transition doesn't mean I shouldn't have access to, for instance, electrolysis for my chin hair, which causes me significant distress.

To be a trans woman is to feel like in your life you've undergone significant changes to how you present your own femininity and what it means for you to be a woman. This change doesn't have to be surgery, hormones, et cetera. A trans woman doesn't need to have been born with a penis, and to say otherwise is the kind of biological determinism I really thought we'd gotten past as feminists.

And

When you see a circumgender trans person blowing off steam toward a ciscumgender trans person (i.e. some of those famous images of circumgender women holding up signs or emblazoned with tattoos reading "die ciscumgender trans scum"), keep in mind that the circumgender trans woman isn't the privileged person here, the ciscumgender trans person is.

Additionally, it has come to my attention that CERTs (Circumgender Exclusionary Radical Transactivists) object to the use of the term "ciscumgender" in the circumgender community. But to just refer to this privileged class of trans people as "non-circumgender" is to refuse to acknowledge their relative level of privilege and to make circumgender forever seem like the outcast, the outlier.

And

You can also make sure that circumgender women are centered at trans events. The violence suffered by ciscumgender trans women is often put at the front and center of violence against transgender people movements, to the detriment of circumgender people.

All from here

www.reddit.com/r/Gender_Critical/comments/36qrsl/i_am_an_afab_circumgender_trans_woman_ama/

Wtaf?

Am I the only one who kept just seeing cucumber ?

Are you a cucumber exclusionary radical salad?

Thanks Datun, that is the perfect reply. I'm thinking I might word it a teeny bit differently to make sure I sound like a proper transwoman. Does 'Die in fire terf scum' seem right?

Shame and Narcissistic Rage in Autogynephilic Transsexualism

Some insight, worth a read.

Link not working...

Worked for me.

hipsterfun

I’ve read that before, but it was a while ago. Now everything in it has the unmistakable sound of veracity.

The narcissistic rage over perceived slights and any kind of questioning of their inner identity. Definitely.

One part I hadn’t picked up on, was the often close relationship with the mother, but distant relationship with the father.

I seem to remember someone talking about Eddie Izzard being obsessed with his mother. And another person said the same about their ex who was AGP.

Fascinating reading for anyone who has five minutes. It’s not long, but it’s very interesting.

I think it might be my phone, EEs parental controls seem not to be just for kids.

This is interesting:
genderapostates.com/transwomen-and-narcissistic-rage/

Are you a cucumber exclusionary radical salad?

Oh god, lets not go there again. We were accused of being quite silly and not taking this seriously at all last time.