Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

[WombOfOnesOwn]

This year, the number of murderers who are transgender is higher in the UK than the number of murder victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156440/Transgender-woman-boyfriend-murdered-flatmate.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4997224/Father-two-stabbed-death-transgender-woman.html

And then there's attempted murders and current murderers declaring themselves trans while behind bars:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jailed-killer-who-chopped-testicles-9882176

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-murderer-moved-womens-prison-9770465

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-accused-trying-murder-9569383

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2193637/transgender-female-running-champ-to-be-detained-in-hospital-after-trying-to-murder-top-uk-athletics-official/

Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

But what an uphill fight to get her accepted to the community

Women aren't a 'community'.

We are a category, a grouping based on fact.

The use of 'transgender community' (aka a grouping based on people who feel something) doesn't translate well to the group 'women' and is unusual to hear.

A 'community of women writers', a 'community of Catholic women'. But a single 'community of women' for the whole world?

Unusual. If I was more cynical, I'd suggest an unconscious 'tell' slipped through there.

Live life cut off from and rejected by those they wish to join?

We didn't cut your child off from some special fun woman club.

Your child is objectively observed to be categorized into one of the two sex classes. That just is reality.

How they, you, I, my neighbour or the queen feels about it is irrelevant. How your child chooses to present is also utterly irrelevant.

Where we have sex segregated spaces, it is to meet sex specific needs. Those who are objectively categorised into a different group have different needs. It helps no-one to ignore this.

I still cant get past males being described as a minority group 😂

women are just women who had a tough start in life.

Like Caitlyn Jenner? Caitlyn Jenner is a lot of things, and may or may not be a mentally healthy individual, but one thing is certain, while I use pronouns out of courtesy, I certainly don’t feel that she would recognize any of the aspects or struggles of womanhood as I have experienced them. I am happy to accept her as a person. I don’t accept her as a woman, and don’t understand why you think I should be required to.

Should have said transgender women

On a serious note, all groups have been acccepted,as what they are.

We didnt pretend black people were white to combat racism, or that gay people were straight.

You arent asking for acceptance of someone for who they are.

Youre asking us to deny reality and accept someone is the opposite of what they are.

Of all the nasty, delusional, hysterical things you've said on this thread - and there's quite a few to choose from! - this is the most chilling:
She'd love to have female reproductive organs. When that becomes possible will you accept her?
when it becomes possible? No, I won't accept a male with harvested female organs as a woman!

she is kind, wise, thoughtful and witty and she is an articulate feminist

My DH is all of those things, though he wouldn't call himself a feminist as his mother taught him that men shouldn't do that at an early age. Doesn't make him a woman, or mean that randoms should feel the same way I do about him. To any other woman on the street he's just a male human who she doesn't know, and the usual threat assessment applies.

Hahaha as if people give a fuck about this!! Murderers are murderers and not defined by how the present themselves. Just another excuse to trans bash. Clutching at straws now you lot

Amazing how a woman who supposedly thinks all transwomen have hormones and surgery also believes her child will not receive any "treatment.". If hormones and surgery aren't treatments for the child's dysphoria, what is it for?

Why didn’t I get an invitation to the women’s community?

Perhaps I was too busy at rugby camp.

You've got stamina 4, I'll give you that. You must be knackered after the all night guilt trip.

I find your insistence on re-education for women until we accept your faith-based position pretty chilling.

It's irrelevant if your stepchild is lovely and gentle and kittenish.

This thread was about statistics. Stats aren't about individuals.

The fact that my husband, my dad, my brother, my hairdresser, my trainer and my boss are all lovely men doesn't change the facts about male violence. I'm not getting changed with them (except husband obvs) and playing rugby with them any time soon, and I'm not interested in changing the rules to exempt any category of males from that. That doesn't hurt their feelings because they are respectful of the differences between men and women.

You can scold me till you're blue in the face, you can call me names ("transphobic" slides right off me these days, btw), you can guilt trip and compare me to a nazi, but none of that changes the reality that humans are sexually dimorphic, and women are different from transwomen. That's not a value judgement. It's just reality.

Calling people names is rarely a good way to persuade them to your viewpoint, by the way.

That is due to the Tavistock’s success. It is the people who are rejected by their families and friends and who struggle to find work in a world where few accept them. They are the ones that kill themselves.

This isn't true. Transgenderism isn't a significant factor in children's and young people's suicides.

Read this. You should be happy that trans children don't tend to commit suicide, surely? It includes data from both GIDS and the National Confidential Enquiry into Suicide and Safety in Mental Health.

www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

What makes you think they will be harvested women’s reproductive organs? Science may be able to grow your own organs in the future. How do any of you purport to know how male a transgender woman is? Are any of you transgender women arguing your case? You use biology as a weapon for something you can’t know about because you can’t know if you aren’t transgender. If in the future you were able to have a brain transplant - would you become a man if your brain were transplanted into a woman’s body? Mocking my use of the word ‘community’ is just pedantry to distract from the point I am making.

As for your suicide stats. They are tosh. Again. That is not relevant here to my argument.

Feminist4

Can you link to the suicide stats you refer to?

would you become a man if your brain were transplanted into a woman’s body?

Surely you mean man's body...

And no if my brain was transplanted into a man's body. I'd be a man. Because it's a description of my reproductive function.

Feminist4 - can I ask, is it really you who is trans?

It's like Face Off! Brain Off? Actually that seems quite fitting in the circumstances...

You do well on so little sleep Datun!

My personal view is that whack-a-mole with this one really isn't worth it.

Their are numerous publications about suicide. A couple are referred to here
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/trans-young-people-suicide-support-mental-health
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/417707/Trans_suicide_Prevention_Toolkit_Final_26032015.pdf

You're either male or female. There's no scale of more maleness. That's silly.

Well I'm glad to hear you don't think organ harvesting is the only option.

Who will be paying for these bespoke organs grown for the male bodied people who want them?

Quite frankly, as a feminist, I'm interested in advancing health care for women. Science fiction pipe dreams should not be high on the agenda.

something you can’t know about because you can’t know if you aren’t transgender.
Femaleness is something you can't know if you aren't female.

Anyway, I'm getting tired of your sexist garbage. I'm taking my pink brain and my ovaries off to bed.

Ah, but there are so many things that you can just know if you have a penis. Apparently the penis is the organ in which knowledge resides.

Whoever said upthread that this reads like one contributor is using a "playbook" - yes, that's what it reads like to me too.

And it seems to have successfully detailed the thread from its actual topic, which was "compare and contrast, in the UK specifically, the stats for violent crimes committed against trans people (crimes which are absolutely and unequivocally wrong, for the record, but mercifully rare) versus violent crimes committed by individuals who identify as trans."

Why do you accept that you would be a man? Because it will never happen to you. I find it peculiar that feminists can be so lacking in tolerance and open-mindedness. Just stereotype transgender women with negative connotations in order to justify excluding them.

Your arguments are like those being used by the tories to justify immigration controls - ‘you are not one of us, therefore we don’t care whether our actions damage you’.