Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

[WombOfOnesOwn]

This year, the number of murderers who are transgender is higher in the UK than the number of murder victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156440/Transgender-woman-boyfriend-murdered-flatmate.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4997224/Father-two-stabbed-death-transgender-woman.html

And then there's attempted murders and current murderers declaring themselves trans while behind bars:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jailed-killer-who-chopped-testicles-9882176

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-murderer-moved-womens-prison-9770465

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-accused-trying-murder-9569383

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2193637/transgender-female-running-champ-to-be-detained-in-hospital-after-trying-to-murder-top-uk-athletics-official/

Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

I know I always feel happy and grateful when someone tells me that it's a privilege to serve them!

How female these 'women' are? Zero.

What gives me the right to say that? I dunno, 2 eyes, a brain and a mouth? The unchanging fact of human reproduction?

Feelings are reality's bitch, for all of us.

Nobody used the word ‘serve'. It is a privilege to be in her company because she is kind, wise, thoughtful and witty and she is an articulate feminist. She is not a man.. But what an uphill fight to get her accepted to the community she should be welcomed into rather than rejected and scorned.

Being female isnt a judgement call.

It isnt a question of how nice you are. If your child was born with the biology to produce sperm, they are male. That cant be changed, sadly

Of course people should show compassion, but that stops the second he tries to force his way into a female space.

Feminist4

2500 children a year attend identity clinics. If the suicide stats had anything to do with completed suicide you'd be seeing about three a day.

According to the serious case review stats, it's still only one (possibly two now).

Please read about this independently.

Reproduction. So what? Who cares? She'd love to have female reproductive organs. When that becomes possible will you accept her?

Almost everyone's mum loves them. That doesn't mean that other people are obligated to.

But now, back to boats! What does everyone else fancy being? I'm thinking maybe I should change my answer back to "submarines" on account of less chance of seasickness.

There's nothing stopping your child supporting women and feminism. Volunteering, donating, campaigning. They need no-ones permission.

Feminist from what you have said your child is the sort of male who hears women say no, and decides to do it anyway.

Because he wants to, and what he wants is more important.

No. I will never accept males like that in female spaces.

I have read about it. It is a red herring. Why are you trying to pretend it doesn't happen. Something like 50% of transgender peple attempt suicide. It's too late for me to start googling for the evidence - but it's out there.

It was taken from a cohort of 27. It was self selecting and not verified. And the authors themselves said it probably included incidences of self harm.

The Samaritans urge people to not blame a single issue for suicide, as it very rarely is. The also counsel against highlighting it as it has a self fulfilling element. That doesn't stop lobby groups like Mermaids using it relentlessly.

You are really offensive. Calling my daughter a man is wrong. You are inflexible In your views. You either do not see or don't care about the damage you cause. Perhaps before you condemn you should spend some time with some transgender women and see things a bit more from their perspective. It is quite extraordinary. Incidentally, she is my step-daughter. I don't see her through rose tinted glasses.

Trans children can be vulnerable of course. But so are disabled children, children with SEN and LGB children.

Wrong. Suicide in transgender community is caused by a single issue and the knock on consequences. Other reasons for suicide may not be.

All children are vulnerable, on account of being children.

My niece is not less deserving of care and protection than a child who identifies as trans.

Feminist4

Supporting your child in denying reality is always going to be a problem. You will always encounter people who won't accept your belief system.

But you aren't stigmstising those groups.

I did not call them a man, I called them a male.

Thats is the truth. You can not force people to lie because you find the truth offensive.

Not can males force their way into female spaces by claiming they will commit suicide or be harmed if they cant enter.

Its just more lies, and we know its lies.

Groan. OK. I'm wasting my time. It's like being among slave traders who think your child is the heathen.

Wrong. Suicide in transgender community is caused by a single issue and the knock on consequences. Other reasons for suicide may not be.

No. Depending on which countries stats you read, between 40-60% have comirbid MH issues.

It's not stigmatising someone by recognising their sex. It just isn't.

she is kind, wise, thoughtful and witty and she is an articulate feminist

I can embrace all those qualities in a male (or at least 'feminist ally'). I don't think those qualities make someone female, nor entitled to share female-only spaces or take female-only places.

Feminist you are wasting your time.

This is your personal belief system that has no basis in reality. It leads you to believe all sex based provisions should be removed.

Of course those of us who dont share your belief system and prioritise safegaurding over feelings will never agree.

Food for thought here? What do you suggest? Aversion therapy? Rugby camp? Live life cut off from and rejected by those they wish to join? Or fight to be accepted - as many minority groups have had to do in the past. One day they will be accepted into women only spaces by most women and boards like this will be in the history books. And you know what? Women won't mind or be more at risk as they will realise trsnsgender women are just women who had a tough start in life.

What is 'aversion therapy'?