Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

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Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:28

That is why I find your posts so offensive

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:29

So what is the difference between a transwoman and a man then?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:31

A transgender woman is a woman.

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:31

You find my posts offensive because you have fairies at the bottom of your garden? Well, yes, I can see how that works.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:31

They are a woman trapped in a male body

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:32

Until they go on hormones and develop breasts and then have surgery.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:32

My transgender daughter is the gentlest of the three.

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:33

Youre using the word woman to decribe a person of either sex and any gender. Its meaningless.

So what is the difference between a man and a transwoman?

Surely you know?

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 13/10/2018 00:33

@Feminist4 you have decided to accept/believe that your transgender daughter is a female in the fullest sense (however you define that word).

Can you in any way understand why a different woman would not be able to accept/believe that your transgender daughter is a female in the fullest sense?

In order words, do you believe that any other woman has the right to believe differently to you?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:34

Because you don’t want to believe me. It doesn’t suit your narrative

heresyandwitchcraft · 13/10/2018 00:34

And that is why I think I know better than you.
That's the problem in a nutshell isn't it?
You THINK you know better than anyone else, yet you cannot articulate why, or rationalize your position. You haven't come up with any evidence to refute posters. It's just been calling others offensive, dismissing other people's feelings, and prioritizing yourself.
If you believe you are so much wiser, you probably ought to at least be able to provide some actual facts to sway people. Otherwise your claims are seemingly based in some faith I just do not share, about souls being trapped in wrong bodies and such.
I am sorry for whatever struggles you or those you know have gone through, but that doesn't mean your opinions trump everyone else's or that women do not have a right to their own spaces.

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 13/10/2018 00:35

*In other words

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:35

No, I believe women who don’t believe as I do are ignorant of the realities of being a transgender woman.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:36

My daughter is not s man

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:36

A man

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:36

I wpuld try and believe if you could explain.

No one is a female trapped in a male body, thats biologically impossible. Like religion, that takes an act of faith to believe.

So sticking to fact not belief, what is the difference between a transwoman and a man?

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 00:39

My transgender daughter is the gentlest of the three.

If you think being a woman is about being gentle then that explains a lot.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:39

She lives with her female girlfriend (who is not transgender). Her girlfriend is a lesbian and fully accepts her as a woman. They are both lesbians.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:40

I only mention the gentle to suggest she is not sexually aggressive

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:40

Again, thats belief. People believe some really strange things.

Thats fine, as long as those beliefs arent forced on others.

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:40

Oh give over.

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 13/10/2018 00:41

Okay, so you think they only believe differently to you because they are ignorant.

Can you accept the possibility there may be some people who are not ignorant of the realities of being a transgender woman who do not believe that transgender women are female in the fullest sense?

Or do people ONLY not believe that transgender women are fully female because of ignorance?

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:42

Have you got a crib sheet there? What's popping out next? Lesbian identifying transgender daughter with a mother who doesn't think women should be able to refuse male bodied people doing intimate exams.

heresyandwitchcraft · 13/10/2018 00:43

I agree, this feels like a playbook. I am going to go play Bingo with Bunbury now. This is tedious.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:44

I think my transgender daughter suffers not feeling a woman in the fullest sense of the word because of groups like this, that try to marginalise her. Of course she is having to overcome physical differences - ones she hates. Hyppolita - what gives you the right to cast judgement on what my daughter is?

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