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The Bluestocking is open for business

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PricklyBall · 16/10/2017 21:02

I've scrolled back a few pages and I can't even find the last pub thread.

So I've taken the beer towels off the pumps, tapped a new barrel, polished the glasses, fed the goat and applied brasso to the patriarchy busting canon.

Come and join me - all tastes catered for - beer, gin, wine, cocktails, coffee and a nice cup of tea.

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 17/10/2017 09:18

Poncy lager for me if you are putting an order in with the brewery prickly

Its just the constant misrepresentation of posts that is winding me up at the minute

And i really want to give people the doubt but sometimes they are just such twats that im embarrassed by how long it took me to realise they are irredeemable

Although....lighter note. Dh who is not particularly feministy, he does agree with the majority of it but does get a bit eyerolly when i get on (although that could be panic like a horse now i think about it )

Anyway....he said ' let me get by sentence out before you yell, but i think that girls should make other choices when it comes to school....but its never gong to happen unless there is a massive shift in parents, teachers and society in general, especially society

I was a bit impressed that he seemed to get it

BertrandRussell · 17/10/2017 09:21

"Its just the constant misrepresentation of posts that is winding me up at the minute "
Me too.
"Men commit the vast majority of violent crime in the U.K."
"Oh, so you're telling me my son is a rapist? How dare you!"

FlaviaAlbia · 17/10/2017 09:27

Morning, I'll have some of that hot chocolate too please.
I'm knackered today, I'm not sure I'm up to rational conversation so I'm just going to slump over a table and listen for a bit.

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PricklyBall · 17/10/2017 09:29

Or the alternative, Bertrand, of "so you're telling me you think your own son is a rapist." Gotta particularly love that one Hmm.

Maybe mumsnet should have an elementary logic test - "Identify the following logical fallacies - affirming the consequent, affirming the disjunct... Explain what is wrong with the following: 'All As are B, X is a B therefore X is an A', etc." before you're allowed to register.

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SentimentalLentil · 17/10/2017 09:31

swans in wearing dressing gown with 3 cats attached

Hi everyone!
I would like a cup of tea at this time of day I think, black no sugar please.

Yes the 'I agree with what you're saying but I don't like your tone missy' posts, oh do piss off.

Poppyred85 · 17/10/2017 09:36

Can I come and hide for a bit with a big mug of tea please? Feeling a bit battered emotionally after reading the AIBU thread on miscarriage/abortion. Made the very difficult decision to end a much wanted pregnancy this summer due to severe HG and reading that thread has made me rather sad.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/10/2017 09:44

I am fucked off with the #mentoo hashtag. Because it's mostly whining fuckers droning about fake rape claims and how 'men get assaulted too'. Read the fucking news arsewipe, this is in response to the Weinstein scandal.

I have been off twitter for a bit and think I need to again.

CocoaIsGone · 17/10/2017 10:09

Flowers poppyred

re #metoo
I think the thing is - of course my son has the potential to be a rapist - I would hope that he does not go down that path and I am trying to raise him to respect women, but yes, of course he has that potential, all men do. And while individuals always have a choice, there is a culture saturated with the objectification of women, which we are also protesting. The point is that some people's sons MUST be and are perpetrators.

But my issue with it is that there will never be a #IAmSorry from those perpetrators.

Yes, I have taken a twitter break and chose these last few days to go back on - going off it again. Not quite at the stage of deleting my account, but may well do.

Time for another coffee!

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/10/2017 10:32

Cocoa
It is the #mentoo hashtag I have, not #metoo

Time to go to the gym, need to punch something Grin

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/10/2017 10:33

(have a problem with)

IndominusRex · 17/10/2017 10:34

Ooh I've never been to the pub before. Is it too early for a gin?

CocoaIsGone · 17/10/2017 11:15

Hi Assigned I have not seen the mentoo hashtag. I was commenting on the posts a bit upthread. That said, it solidifies my resolve to avoid social media. I might delete my account after all.

CaptainWarbeck · 17/10/2017 11:30

I'm new to the pub but have very much enjoyed reading the wise words of women on this board, so I'll happily pull up a stool and have a pint of ale please.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/10/2017 12:07

Cocoa
I don't use my real name on social media. I deleted FB years ago, having only used it for a few months. Never regretted it. I started a fake FB one recently to join a feminist group and restrict mt use to only that group. I'm anonymous on twitter and although I find it a time waster, it is also a great source of news and I do miss it when I have logged out. Think I just need to be more disciplined. I have a deliberately difficult password so I have to go to the effort of looking it up, which does limit my use

So glad I am mot me on FB though, I bloody hated it

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/10/2017 12:10

I think your DH is wrong CaptainWarbeck and that it will all come tumbling down when the lawsuits start. Unfortunately, many young lives will be wrecked before the world wakes up

Nonibaloni · 17/10/2017 12:17

Quick coffee please, while I craft my cv carefully avoiding mentioning gap while I was a SAH and another gap where I had family care responsibilities. Do you think they'll notice? Of course they will. Will my answers about childcare be good enough? Impossible to say. Sigh.

SomeDyke · 17/10/2017 12:32

Someone has already done it! A great 'golden oldie' from Bristol, 1975:

caringlabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/federici-wages-against-housework.pdf

ColinTheDachshund · 17/10/2017 13:04

Would you rather be (temporarily, I hope) on the 'wrong side of history' or the wrong side of science?

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/10/2017 13:11

I have some faith that this shit will right itself Colin but I would rather be on the side of science, truth and reason

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/10/2017 13:21

I am fascinated by the uneasy relationship feminism has always had with motherhood. When I was young and dinosaurs roamed the earth, the only passing nod we made towards children was that there should be 24 hour childcare available to all

To be fair, I do remember quite loud demands for men to do their fair share of the domestic labour.

slug · 17/10/2017 13:23

Green tea for me. Re: the Weinstein palaver. A couple of weeks ago a colleague made a very slightly risque joke about not messing with me when I'm wearing leather. It was mild and, to be fair I was wearing a leather skirt that day and I do try to cultivate a mildly formidable reputation. The next day he sent me an email apologising for his behaviour.

I was a bit nonplussed as it wasn't a particularly bad comment, but I did have a student with me at the time and it was mildly inappropriate. It wasn't until this morning that it suddenly hit me why I was confused. I'm a bit long in the tooth and this is the first time I can remember that completely unprompted that a man has apologised to me for an inappropriate comment.

ftw · 17/10/2017 13:34

To be fair, I do remember quite loud demands for men to do their fair share of the domestic labour

My issue isn't really about doing the wife work whilst working because I'm already part time. It's that working PT (and refusing to jump on a plane for no good reason) has made me obsolete at work. I could fight to get back into the game but I cba.

I guess I'm just disappointed that flexible working didn't really allow me to continue in my career and have young DC.

So I dream of quitting and then get pissed off that that's the situation I'm in. If that makes any sense.

(This isn't a moan about DP - if he went PT too, we'd just both be in this boat...)

MacaroonMama · 17/10/2017 13:59

Hi All,

What pub drink follows the carrot soup I just had for lunch? And will also allow me to do the school run without staggering/ hiccupping/ giggling? I guess I'll have a quick coffee, please.

Flowers to you PoppyRed I wish you a full recovery and hope you are being gentle to yourself. Haven't read the Aibu thread but had a miscarriage three years ago - I know it is a different pain, but I know what it is like to lose a pregnancy. Thinking of you.

My MP wrote back! Mixed response so I am going to see him in actual real life. I am poo-scared. I think he is swayable though. He has been in charge of the Something Select Committee he said so is well aware of the prisons issue and he said it troubles him. That is good. Then he said the main point was to simplify and streamline the process of transitioning and/or self-identifying to get the GRC. This is not good.

I think I need to get my facts together and lots of print offs from you exceedingly clever Mumsnetters just to show him the facts behind the crap. And also point out that if we have been treating this as an illness (somewhat akin to anorexia/bulimia with the body dysmorphia issues), should we be simplifying it? Is it not our responsibility, esp towards children/teens that it is a v v v long and considered process?

Anyway. I need to make my appt, get my stuff together and make him see sense! And attend that event on the 31st October. Thanks BetsyM00 for mentioning that if you are here.

Has anyone read The Power? I want to ask Naomi Alderman to write up the Weinstein stuff. I think people would be more shocked if it purported to be fiction.

Anyway Wine and Brew and Cake to you all xx

MacaroonMama · 17/10/2017 14:01

Sorry that was a bit long. Ages since I've been to the pub! Blush

SomeDyke · 17/10/2017 14:27

Given the afternoon coffee vibe, I think it is time for the cupcakes -- but the Bluestocking Special cupcakes: